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To: Amelia
Not that I'm a Constitutional lawyer, and not that I think homosexual behavior is moral, natural, or desirable -- I just have a problem with the government making any law that requires spying in someone's bedroom for enforcement.

That's sophistry, much like the government kicking down doors to see if you're having an abortion (Donahue canard). Using that train of thought, should do away with child abuse, since that mostly happens behind closed doors. The issue is this: laws define the morals of a society. When we ban sodomy, we are saying that homosexuality activity is immoral and ought not be encouraged, much like we ban prostitution (sex for money), but not sex for free. You don't have to "spy" on a neighbor, which is what the 4th Amendment is for, but for when the crime is observed or come upon, like the vast majority of witness-associated crime occurs.

216 posted on 06/26/2003 8:10:38 AM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: GreatOne
. When we ban sodomy, we are saying that homosexuality activity is immoral and ought not be encouraged, much like we ban prostitution (sex for money), but not sex for free.

Most of the people busted for prostitution are convicted for negotiating in public with an undercover police officer, or having sex in public places such a parking lot known to attrack prostitutes.

Your analogy is false. Try again.

244 posted on 06/26/2003 8:19:00 AM PDT by george wythe
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To: GreatOne
That's sophistry, much like the government kicking down doors to see if you're having an abortion

You want the government knowing what you do in your bedroom? Did you know it's illegal for married couples to have oral sex in S.C.? Do you think that law ought to be enforced? And please tell me HOW?

Using that train of thought, should do away with child abuse, since that mostly happens behind closed doors.

Child abuse is usually discovered because of injuries to the child. Also has nothing to do with consenting adults. Different situation entirely.

The issue is this: laws define the morals of a society. When we ban sodomy, we are saying that homosexuality activity is immoral and ought not be encouraged, much like we ban prostitution (sex for money), but not sex for free.

Unmarried sex for free has also been illegal. Problem is, how are you going to enforce it?

You don't have to "spy" on a neighbor, which is what the 4th Amendment is for, but for when the crime is observed or come upon, like the vast majority of witness-associated crime occurs.

How are you going to enforce sodomy laws?

300 posted on 06/26/2003 8:35:12 AM PDT by Amelia (It's better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness)
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To: GreatOne
But... But .... But Prostitution is between two 'consenting ' adults. We should permit it /sarcasim
479 posted on 06/26/2003 9:31:25 AM PDT by fooman (Get real with Kim Jung Mentally Ill about proliferation)
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To: GreatOne
"The issue is this: laws define the morals of a society. "

But if a law is worth having, shouldn't it be enforced to the best of the enforcing authority's ability? Saying "we want this law, but we're not going to enforce it" undermines respect for law. If sodomy laws were fairly and vigorously enforced, they would have been overturned by legislatures years ago.
1,533 posted on 06/27/2003 1:32:09 AM PDT by Coronal
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