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RIAA To Sue Individual's for File Sharing (This could mean you!!!!)
Miami Herald ^ | 06/25/2003 | Ted Bridis

Posted on 06/25/2003 6:15:06 PM PDT by jimmccleod

Music Labels Step Up Internet Piracy Hunt
TED BRIDIS
Associated Press

WASHINGTON - The embattled music industry disclosed plans Wednesday for an unprecedented escalation in its fight against Internet piracy, threatening to sue hundreds of individual computer users who illegally share music files online.

The Recording Industry Association of America, citing significant sales declines, said it will begin Thursday to search Internet file-sharing networks to identify music fans who offer "substantial" collections of MP3 song files for downloading.

It expects to file at least several hundred lawsuits seeking financial damages within eight to 10 weeks.

Executives for the RIAA, the Washington-based lobbying group that represents major labels, would not say how many songs on a user's computer might qualify for a lawsuit. The new campaign comes just weeks after U.S. appeals court rulings requiring Internet providers to identify subscribers suspected of illegally sharing music and movie files.

The RIAA's president, Cary Sherman, said tens of millions of Internet users of popular file-sharing software after Thursday will expose themselves to "the real risk of having to face the music." He said the RIAA plans only to file lawsuits against Internet users in the United States.

"It's stealing. It's both wrong and illegal," Sherman said. Alluding to the court decisions, Sherman said Internet users who believe they can hide behind an alias online are mistaken. "You are not anonymous," Sherman said. "We're going to begin taking names."

Shopping at a Virgin Megastore in San Francisco, Jason Yoder was planning to delete file-sharing software he uses from his home computer because of the new lawsuit threat. He acknowledged using the Internet recently to find a copy of a rare 1970s soul recording, but he agreed that illegal downloads should be curtailed.

"It's sort of like a serial drunk driver has to have their license taken away at some point," said Yoder, 30.

Sharman Networks Ltd., which makes the popular Kazaa software and operates one of the world's largest file-sharing networks, said in a statement, "It is unfortunate that the RIAA has chosen to declare war on its customers by engaging in protracted and expensive litigation." Sharman said it was interested in a business relationship with music labels and could protect their songs from illegal downloads using technology.

Country songwriter Hugh Prestwood, who has worked with Randy Travis, Trisha Yearwood and Jimmy Buffett, likened the RIAA's effort to a roadside police officer on a busy highway.

"It doesn't take too many tickets to get everybody to obey the speed limit," Prestwood said.

Critics accused the RIAA of resorting to heavy-handed tactics likely to alienate millions of Internet file-sharers.

"This latest effort really indicates the recording industry has lost touch with reality completely," said Fred von Lohmann, a lawyer for the Electronic Frontier Foundation. "Does anyone think more lawsuits are going to be the answer? Today they have declared war on the American consumer."

Sherman disputed that consumers, who are gradually turning to legitimate Web sites to buy music legally, will object to the industry's latest efforts against pirates.

"You have to look at exactly who are your customers," he said. "You could say the same thing about shoplifters - are you worried about alienating them? All sorts of industries and retailers have come to the conclusion that they need to be able to protect their rights. We have come to the same conclusion."

Mike Godwin of Public Knowledge, a consumer group that has challenged broad crackdowns on file-sharing networks, said Wednesday's announcement was appropriate because it targeted users illegally sharing copyrighted files.

"I'm sure it's going to freak them out," Godwin said. "The free ride is over." He added: "I wouldn't be surprised if at least some people engaged in file-trading decide to resist and try to find ways to thwart the litigation strategy."

The entertainment industry has gradually escalated its fight against piracy. The RIAA has previously sued four college students it accused of making thousands of songs available for illegal downloading on campus networks. But Wednesday's announcement was the first effort to target users who offer music on broadly accessible, public networks.

The Motion Picture Association of America said it supported the efforts, but notably did not indicate it plans to file large numbers of civil lawsuits against Internet users who trade movies online.

MPAA Chief Jack Valenti said in a statement it was "our most sincere desire" to find technology solutions to protect digital copies of movies.

Rep. Howard Berman, D-Calif., who has proposed giving the entertainment industry new powers to disrupt downloads of pirated music and movies, said the RIAA's actions were overdue. "It's about time," Berman said in a statement. "For too long ... file-traffickers have robbed copyright creators with impunity."

The RIAA said its lawyers will file lawsuits initially against people with the largest collections of music files they can find online. U.S. copyright laws allow for damages of $750 to $150,000 for each song offered illegally on a person's computer, but Sherman said the RIAA will be open to settlement proposals from defendants.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: bearshare; filesharing; grokster; kazaa; limewire; morpheus; music; napster; riaa
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To: Jhoffa_
You apparently have no inner child based on your tagline.

I bet you sue those kids who have the audacity to have fun and run around the neighborhood.

You are a grumpy old fart. Quite frankly, you remind me of an old neighbor. When I was like 5 or 6 years old, he told my father that if I ever stepped on inch on his lawn that he would have me arrrested. What a lovely fellow.

And your tagline makes me believe you are quite similar.
41 posted on 06/25/2003 7:16:15 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: ReagansShinyHair
Except computers are not illegal to own, and computers are often shared. It's not the same as drugs, where you would most likely have known that they were in your house/car/purse.

It's not the computer's legal status that is the issue. It contains "illegal" files.

It's not the same as drugs, where you would most likely have known that they were in your house/car/purse. How would you be expected to know if someone downloaded a few songs and left them on there for someone to share? It's not as though everyone checks that every day.

Substitute the words "downloaded a few songs" with brought over a few joints" and see how that would sound to a judge. It doesn't matter if it's drugs or mp3's...trust me, a lawyer WILL make that connection in court, and will likely win over the judge with it.

42 posted on 06/25/2003 7:16:15 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: wizzler
I see you've posted quite a bit about Hillary Clinton's book. Are you on her staff?

Ouchh!! What an insult. LOL!
43 posted on 06/25/2003 7:16:27 PM PDT by rs79bm (Absence of Evidence is not Evidence of Absence)
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To: new cruelty
Apparently he considers battery a good thing, but listening to inferior copies of songs are a bad thing.
44 posted on 06/25/2003 7:18:33 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: Skywalk
I do not believe it was the intent of the Founders or the accepted knowledge at the time that you have unlimited control over your art-form even after it is completed.

Well, then, I've got good news for you: You don't have to rely on "belief" on this point. Stuff is actually spelled out in real documents, there for you to see and actually KNOW.

The aspects you're describing -- plagiarism, alterations of attribution -- are covered by a part of copyright often referred to in law as "moral rights."

However, the essence of copyright pivots on a single point: The copyright holder -- who is not always the original creator -- has the exclusive right to copy and distribute the work. You don't have to have profitted from distribution, or committed fraud, to have violated copyright.

No one is saying P2P technology should be illegal, or that copyright holders should have control over it. They're simply saying that copyrighted material cannot be copied and distributed without authorization of the copyright holder.

It's all so very simple.

45 posted on 06/25/2003 7:19:32 PM PDT by wizzler
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To: rs79bm
Of course.
46 posted on 06/25/2003 7:19:34 PM PDT by rwfromkansas ("There is dust enough on some of your Bibles to write 'damnation' with your fingers." C.H. Spurgeon)
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To: jimmccleod
The truth of the matter was I pretty much lost interest in the music on the radio (Rush Limbaugh fan), and havn't purchased a cd in quite some time


Then I discovered Kazzaa. I started downloading some music files, and I became interested in music again. I started purchasing cd's again, and playing them on my "musicmatch" jukebox having a good time.


Now they call us theives and don't want our business. Well let me tell you something RIAA;


JUST KAZZAA ALONE HAS BEEN DOWNLOADED OVER 2 MILLION TIMES. EVERY MUSIC FAN WHO HAS A COMPUTER HAS PROBABLY DONE THIS. NOW YOUR TELLING ME THAT YOUR GOING TO SUE EVERY OR SOME OR WHATEVER ONE OF US? I DON'T THINK SO. ANY KID OR ADULT MUSIC FAN WHO GETS DRAGGED INTO COURT OVER THIS B.S. IS GUARANTEED TO DO ONE THING.

BOYCOTT YOUR STINKIN' LABEL!!!



...and then the counter suits will start for wasing our time. count on it. You think your losing money now...just wait.
47 posted on 06/25/2003 7:22:06 PM PDT by dagoofyfoot
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To: FORMERMID
All I have to say is that, I have bought MORE cds since I have started downloading music than beforehand.


And I purchase a much wider genre of music too. I wish the RIAA would see that. Besides, shared mp3s are inconsistent, unless you want to spend a lot of time looking for the best copy; they are never as good as the commercially produced product.
48 posted on 06/25/2003 7:22:54 PM PDT by KCmark (I am NOT a partisan.)
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To: rwfromkansas

My tagline is an inside joke..

PS: Looks like Satan has a bunch of willing accomplices on this thread.

49 posted on 06/25/2003 7:23:28 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Hey you kids, get off my lawn!)
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To: jimmccleod
Heck no I'm not going to stop downloading...In my Highschool almost everybody is a user on at least one song SHARING network. I'd like to see what happens when the RIAA pisses off their best customers. Great Marketing plan (sarcasm)
50 posted on 06/25/2003 7:23:40 PM PDT by MilitaryBuff (All we are saying...is let us share music)
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To: Jhoffa_
No, actually I was the kid who would toss you down the stairs for remarks like that..

Why doesn't that surprise me?!

The one thing I would not do, however, is steal your stuff.

My....how big of you. I know I'd feel a lot better about being tossed down a flight of stairs just as long as you didn't steal my notebook paper first.

That's the kind of mentallity that results in kids bringing in a 12 GA shotgun and blowing away the thick-necked wrestler types.

51 posted on 06/25/2003 7:24:42 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: FORMERMID
"I have bought MORE cds since I have started downloading music than beforehand"

That is the stupidity of the artists, they aren't looking at history. 2 examples in particular. First, VCR's. The studios, actors, directors, etc tried to have VCR's not be able to record. They lost in court. Result, people saw the movies or copies and STILL bought the originals. Sales exploded and are still growing!

Second, in 1996 to 2000 people were downloading in huge numbers and CD sales were still very strong, actually had strong growth. In 2001 the court ruled in favor of RIAA and starting that year, sales declined since.

Don't they realize people will still buy a good product, just they don't want to waste their money on trash. When they download them, the quality is generally not as good. In fact it is spotty, sometimes you get a good copy, often it is only okay... or worse.

Make them good, and people will still buy them. If they are not, well tough.
52 posted on 06/25/2003 7:25:20 PM PDT by JSteff
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To: rs79bm

I don't think so either. I believe you are allowed to archive in this manner.

You bet they will.

They have no idea what you're doing with that music and probably don't care..

53 posted on 06/25/2003 7:26:09 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Hey you kids, get off my lawn!)
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To: Orangedog
You know, I see stuff I want every day..

In fact, I was in a position to copy a movie earlier I was purchasing for a gift.. I like it so well, I want my own copy also.

But, it's not mine.. So I will just buy another, rather than steal it.

See how easy that is?

And now Apple has this approved download service, it's like a buck a piece or something.. Why not just go over there and buy what you want?

54 posted on 06/25/2003 7:29:19 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Hey you kids, get off my lawn!)
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To: dagoofyfoot
Now they call us theives

But that's because you ARE.

and don't want our business.

No, I'm sure they want your business. They just don't want you stealing their stuff.

55 posted on 06/25/2003 7:29:20 PM PDT by wizzler
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To: jimmccleod
...it will begin Thursday to search Internet file-sharing networks to identify music fans who offer "substantial" collections of MP3 song files for downloading.

This is why I don't...share...squat.

If something happens to get left in my shared folder...it's a mistake.

56 posted on 06/25/2003 7:33:26 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: Jhoffa_
And now Apple has this approved download service, it's like a buck a piece or something.. Why not just go over there and buy what you want?

Who's saying I don't already? I don't approve of anyone stealing, but I also don't approve of lopsided penalties like $150,000 per mp3. These types of tactics are not proportional to the "crime" in question. In fact, it brings a whole new meaning to the term "non-linear"

57 posted on 06/25/2003 7:35:03 PM PDT by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: Henrietta
They should just offer the music for sale on the internet on a per-song and save themselves the distribution costs.

That has been my suggestion for years. They should digitize their entire catalogs and start building the websites and setting up accounts for all those that wish to download. I don't see a downside.

58 posted on 06/25/2003 7:36:09 PM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (®)
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To: Orangedog

Didn't you know this was going to be the end result?

People have been saying this for years.. Over and over:

"If you don't stop stealing software and music, they are going to come down on EVERYONE like a ton of bricks.. Then, it's going to suck for us all, legitimate and illegitimate computer users alike, and we will have to deal with lawsuits and copy protection out the wa-zoo. Can't copy that digital picture of Grandma and send it to the folks back home? Thank the downloaders.. Got sued because they thought your garage band's MP3 was a metallica rip off? Thank the downloaders.. "

And all I ever heard in response was garbage like: "They can't stop downloading, "man""

Well, guess what? They're about to..

And frankly, I like this solution allot better than copy protection so tight you have to phone MS to re-install windows every time it crashes.

59 posted on 06/25/2003 7:41:43 PM PDT by Jhoffa_ (Hey you kids, get off my lawn!)
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To: rwfromkansas
Ya gotta draw the line somewhere. :)
60 posted on 06/25/2003 7:41:50 PM PDT by new cruelty
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