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Today I shot my first handgun, a 9mm Glock model 19 (vanity)
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Posted on 06/24/2003 11:04:17 AM PDT by rudy45

I hope I got the model right. It holds 10 rounds, and is hammerless.

Questions:

Why is the spent shell hitting me in the face? I thought it's supposed to go off to the side.

I had a tendency to flinch and blink when I fired. Should that go away with practice?

Was I loading the magazine the right way, by inserting one round at a time and pushing down on the ones already in the magazine? Wouldn't it be easier to have some lever or slide on the outside of the magazine, that would depress the "floor" all the way, thereby making loading easier?

How does this model compare (in terms of size, weight and recoil) to Sig P232 .380?

Thanks.


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To: rudy45
rudy,
You could try dry firing your UNLOADED weapon using a snap cap like this http://www.pistoleer.com/azoom/ to protect the firing pin. Put a coin on top of the barrel and try not to let it fall off as you aim and pull the trigger. It might help with the fliching and subsequent aiming. This helped me with my DAO pistol.
ofv
41 posted on 06/24/2003 12:28:03 PM PDT by oldfashionedvalues
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To: ibbryn
Love the way her free hand comes up to her mouth in a classic OOPS!

I noticed that also. If it weren't so pathetic, it would be funny.

42 posted on 06/24/2003 12:32:05 PM PDT by Cagey
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To: Cagey
Holy crap!!! That video just sends chills down my spine. Looks like she missed, too.
43 posted on 06/24/2003 12:33:10 PM PDT by hattend
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To: Zathras
No one ever listen to Zathras.

44 posted on 06/24/2003 12:33:31 PM PDT by No.6
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To: Hugin
"Personally I love my EAA Witness"

I ended up going for a CZ 75BD as my first semi-auto. It definitely had the nicest balance and natural point for my hand. Even better is over 1000 rounds through it with no hiccups. Next up: a CZ 97 in 45cal!

45 posted on 06/24/2003 12:36:07 PM PDT by AngryJawa
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To: rudy45
Congratulations on getting your first piece! I'm a firm believer that everyone should begin his training with a revolver, but any firearm is preferable to no firearm.
46 posted on 06/24/2003 12:40:24 PM PDT by jpl
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To: FateAmenableToChange
cover the suspect (who is probably sh!tt!ng his pants at that point),

I suspect that the officer trying to cuff him might also have needed a change of underwear at that point. He reacted more than the suspect did.

47 posted on 06/24/2003 12:41:47 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: smc
I'm also left handed (but right eye dominant) and don't have much of a problem with brass from my Glock 17 coming back in my face. My Walther P22 throws them much more directly backwards and I've been hit in the face by one or two from it. Glad it's only a 22.

Still, it's a good idea to wear a baseball cap when shooting. You really don't want to get a hot case wedged between your face and eye glasses.

Jack
48 posted on 06/24/2003 12:48:41 PM PDT by JackOfVA
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To: jpl
Wheelguns

Colts preferred

Oldies better then stock market Blue Chips!
49 posted on 06/24/2003 12:51:02 PM PDT by autoresponder (. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
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To: autoresponder
Dude....what planet are you living on?
50 posted on 06/24/2003 12:52:20 PM PDT by kildak
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To: El Gato
I suspect that the officer trying to cuff him might also have needed a change of underwear at that point. He reacted more than the suspect did.

If you look at the video before she shoots, it appears that the point of aim is at the chest of the officer attempting to cuff the suspect. Watch how much she lowers the point of aim before the AD that impacts just to the right of the suspect's head - to get that low, she had to be negligently aiming at the other officer. I'm betting that she noticed that she was aiming at the officer's chest, said "oh my" and got all nervous and sweaty as she lowered the gun and then looked around to see whether anyone else noticed that she almost shot her partner. At that point, her finger convulsed on the trigger. What a moron.

51 posted on 06/24/2003 12:53:50 PM PDT by FateAmenableToChange
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Do yourself a favor and get a Sig or an HK

I'll agree to that one. I have 2 HK's, a 9mm full-size USP and a Compact .40. Awesome guns, a little pricey, though.

52 posted on 06/24/2003 2:18:58 PM PDT by HumanaeVitae (Catholic Epimethean)
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To: rudy45
I hope I got the model right. It holds 10 rounds, and is hammerless.

The 19 is the *middle bear* 9mm version, not quite as lengthy as the original Glock 17 model, the first version introduced and known as the P.80 to the Austrian military, nor as compact as the smaller glock 26, meant for use as a hideout version. The Model 19 is thereby a nice compromise, though I prefer the balance of the longer model 17, having had both model 17s and 19s [and the mini-Glock in the .45 caliber Model 30 version]

Why is the spent shell hitting me in the face? I thought it's supposed to go off to the side.

It is, and it will sometimes, particularly when the pistol is fired from the left hand. The ejection port of the Glock was purposely designed to be very large and open to lessen the possibility of an ejecting case being caught as the slide snaps back forward; this was a particular concern with the fully-automatic mechanism of the Model 18 9mm pistol, outwardly resembling the Model 17 but with the additional option of emptying it's magazine in less than a second. Accordingly, a 33-round extended magazine was also developed for the model 18, which can be used in the other 9mm guns as well. That might be something for you to consider as a potentially useful accessory someday. But practice and familiarity with the individual gun helps. BTW, it's worse when a piece of hot brass gets caught between your eyeglasses and eyelid. Ow.

I had a tendency to flinch and blink when I fired. Should that go away with practice?

It can be unlearned. A good coach can be a particular help, as can work with a subcaliber training unit, not available from Glock but made as an aftermarket accessory. A seperate .22 handgun is nearly as useful as a training aid, however, and is a fun challenge to master in its own right.

Was I loading the magazine the right way, by inserting one round at a time and pushing down on the ones already in the magazine? Wouldn't it be easier to have some lever or slide on the outside of the magazine, that would depress the "floor" all the way, thereby making loading easier?

Yes it would, and such an integral or seperate loading tool has been built into several submachinegun designs and one or two handguns in the past. But it increases the mechanical complexity and could be a detriment to concealment, so seperate loading assist devices are available, including one from Glock specificly for their pistols, and there's such a device from the Triple-Break company that I've always favoured, very similar to the one the US Army provided for the M3 submachinegun. They're usually available at well-stocked gun shops in the $15-$20 range, or can be found online *here* priced at $15.95 each. They're particularly useful if either you have a great many magazines to reload, or only one that you have to recharge between firing strings. It does help to have several magazines available, in practice or especially if troubles come your way.

How does this model compare (in terms of size, weight and recoil) to Sig P232 .380?

the Sig is a bit smaller, and since the distance between its front and rear sights is less due to the shorter barrel, is a bit harder to shoot as well; this is called the sight radius and is usually more of an issue to practical accuracy than any ballistic shortcoming from the different barrel lengths. The .380 cartridge of the Sig is less powerful, making it less effective, particularly in the hands of a shooter less certain of perfect placement with the less powerful cartridge. Again, every little bit helps, and the more practice you get with either, the better.

The Sig has an aluminum alloy frame, thus lighter to carry but subject to wear and scratching moreso than a steel frame, and possibly more susceptable to peening or cracking from extensive shooting. The famed Walther PPK in the same caliber was available either way, and was most generally preferred in the steel-framed version; likewise the excellent Russian Makarov and former Communist bloc copies thereof were of steel, and are quite sturdy for extended longterm use.

Thanks.

Any time! And FReegards...good luck with curing that flinch [dry firing practice helps] and the straying brass problem.

-archy-/-

53 posted on 06/24/2003 2:51:50 PM PDT by archy (Keep in mind that the milk of human kindness comes from a beast that is both cannibal and a vampire.)
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To: rudy45; Eaker; humblegunner; dix
"Why is the spent shell hitting me in the face?"

Because the Glock is a piece of crap.

"I had a tendency to flinch and blink when I fired. Should that go away with practice?"

No, not while firing a Glock. It's a piece of crap.

"Was I loading the magazine the right way,"

There is no right way; the Glock magazine is a piece of crap.

"How does this model compare (in terms of size, weight and recoil) to Sig P232 .380?"

You've got to be kidding! That's like comparing a cow chip to steak dinner.

Now that I've totally destroyed your confidence in your toy, let me show you a REAL gun:


54 posted on 06/24/2003 2:54:15 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: No.6
No one ever listen to Zathras.

LOL   You not the one!
55 posted on 06/24/2003 3:02:52 PM PDT by gcruse
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To: rudy45
Go to http://www.glocktalk.com and put yourself into a veritable glock stupor. You are now officially qualified to join the cult.
56 posted on 06/24/2003 3:14:00 PM PDT by Nachoman
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To: TexasCowboy
Talk about crap!!!

I was with TC and convinced him to buy a Sig because he just wasn't the right caliber to own a Glock!!

Eaker

57 posted on 06/24/2003 4:00:44 PM PDT by Eaker (Adiós reality; I want to be a Jack-Ass millionaire!!............;<)
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To: TexasCowboy; Eaker
No, not while firing a Glock. It's a piece of crap.

Are those loud angry knocks I hear at your door???
I just called Eaker and was told he had just lit out like
a bat out of hell, destination unknown...

58 posted on 06/24/2003 4:01:47 PM PDT by humblegunner (The Glockman cometh!)
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To: Eaker; humblegunner; rudy45
LOL!
I just LOOOOOVE to stir up sh*t!!
59 posted on 06/24/2003 4:07:38 PM PDT by TexasCowboy (COB1)
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To: TexasCowboy; humblegunner
I just LOOOOOVE to stir up sh*t!!

Stir'n it, steppin' in it, makin' chile with it.......

TC ain't got no limits!!!

;<)

60 posted on 06/24/2003 4:25:43 PM PDT by Eaker (Adiós reality; I want to be a Jack-Ass millionaire!!............;<)
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