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Today I shot my first handgun, a 9mm Glock model 19 (vanity)
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Posted on 06/24/2003 11:04:17 AM PDT by rudy45
I hope I got the model right. It holds 10 rounds, and is hammerless.
Questions:
Why is the spent shell hitting me in the face? I thought it's supposed to go off to the side.
I had a tendency to flinch and blink when I fired. Should that go away with practice?
Was I loading the magazine the right way, by inserting one round at a time and pushing down on the ones already in the magazine? Wouldn't it be easier to have some lever or slide on the outside of the magazine, that would depress the "floor" all the way, thereby making loading easier?
How does this model compare (in terms of size, weight and recoil) to Sig P232 .380?
Thanks.
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To: The Magical Mischief Tour; rudy45
Next you will be told that if someone takes your picture it will steal your soul.
It is usually best to take negative advice, from a person that hates a product, with a grain of salt.
Eaker
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:23:34 AM PDT
by
Eaker
(AdiĆ³s reality; I want to be a Jack-Ass millionaire!!............;<)
To: FateAmenableToChange
Nice...
To: The Magical Mischief Tour
Personally I love my EAA Witness. Basically an Italian copy of a CZ75. Very accurate, all steel construction, great grip and balance, and under $300.
Some people love Glocks, but to me they feel like I'm holding a couple pieces of 2x2 nailed togther.
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:30:43 AM PDT
by
Hugin
To: FateAmenableToChange
Too avoid the dreaded 10 round magazine (not "clip") problemo:
Carry at least two (2) handguns
More fun, less brass dodging:
My circa 1898 Colt 44-40 Frontier Six Shooter
legal at only 7½" barrel with my ultra rare circa 1876 (bad year for George Armstrong!) original Colt Model-1876 nickle plated brass detachable skeleton shoulder stock (BATF Antique legal)
Slow to load and unload
Saleable for megabucks yesterday
great for deer, buffalo with shoulder stock attached
Plastic framed pistols not my meat
Watch your finger with that Glock trigger on draws; many LEOs fire by accident with Glocks
S&W & SIGs are safer
Enjoy yer toy
Step up to a .45 if you really want self defense knockdown power
Tap two .45s and you live
The extra recoil is handled well by many small women
BIGGER IS BETTER
"You can never have too much gun!"
--- George Armstrong Cus.....
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:34:01 AM PDT
by
autoresponder
(. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
To: Lizard_King; Eaker; The Magical Mischief Tour; rudy45
[T]he statements coming from people with gun brands as religions **** Next you will be told that if someone takes your picture it will steal your soul.The great thing about Glocks is that merely holding one prevents that whole thing with camera-picture-soul thing from happening. Something about the barium-impregnated polymer, plus the ability to shoot that nasty little, soul-stealing paparazzi between the eyes, protects every Glock user from this phenomenon. Unless you limp wrist. But even then, the protective aura is way better than what you get out of a Sig.
To: rudy45
The Glock is bigger and recoils about the same as the Sig.
The shells hit you in the face. They should eject to the side. You may be holding the weapon improperly. Glocks aren't bad for flinging brass back at you, compared to other pistols. Butm I'm sorry to say that it's a reality. In combat drills they will hit you, go down your shirt, etc. They shouldn't, they should fall harmlessly out of the way, but they won't. If you had a screen up to prevent expended brass from hitting the shooter in the next position, they may be bouncing off of it. If you are a lefty you'll be getting hit worse, but get used to it. They won't hurt you. Always wear eye protection.
The flinching could be why the brass is hitting you. If your accuracy was bad it could also be the flinching. Keep shooting. If you realize that the weapon won't hurt you, it may get better. One way to work around it is have a friend give you the weapon, either with a round chambered or not. His choice. Then aim at the target and pull the trigger. With revolvers, you can have someone load three or two or four rounds in the gun. You won't know which are live and which are empty, so you'll be able to get used to firing the weapon, and seeing your reaction when it doesn't go off.
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:35:32 AM PDT
by
NYFriend
To: autoresponder
Too avoid the dreaded 10 round magazine (not "clip") problemo: You probably wanted this to go to rudy24 who is the guy with the G19. I'm just a troublemaker.
To: autoresponder
Watch your finger with that Glock trigger on draws; many LEOs fire by accident with Glocks Negligent Discharge
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:39:29 AM PDT
by
Cagey
To: autoresponder
I should add .....No finger should be on the trigger of ANY gun unless it is about to be fired.
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:41:19 AM PDT
by
Cagey
To: rudy45
For the flinch: Get really good ear protection, cheapie foam plugs and a fair to good set of muffs are what I use. And big safety glasses. And then get a coach or trusted and experience shooter run the flinch extingushing drill. He will load either one round or no rounds then hand you the gun. When you pull the trigger on an unloaded gun, a flinch is embarasingly obvious. A few dozen repeatitions will elminate most flinches.
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:54:48 AM PDT
by
Rifleman
To: Cagey
That is the best negligent discharge video I've ever seen. What was best of all was how the officer's stupidity extended after the AD - instead of continuing to cover the suspect (who is probably sh!tt!ng his pants at that point), she tries to claw the gun back into her holster (probably almost shooting herself again in the process. You can see her finger in the trigger guard the whole time. Unbelievable.
To: rudy45
Welcome to the world of hangun shooting. You have gotten much good advice here on this thread. I will not be telling you you should not like the Glock I recognize they are well made firearms that are accurate and reliable. I do not carry a Glock or own one as I personally do not like the feel. As to your choice of 9mm I would say the following carry a good hollowpoint load. The hollow points are more likely to stop an assualt on your person quicker than non-hollow points.
One trick I would suggest is on the range try balancing a quarter on the top of the slide while you dry fire the pistol )empty chamber and magazine this may help with the flinch.
As to the brass hitting you in the face there can be several reasons for this including the flinch but if it does it on an experienced shooter you may wish to send the gun to glack for adjustment. another shooter mentioned the possibility of the brass bouncing off a wall between you and the shooter next to you this is another possibility.
One thing you should do is practice with your sidearm you will get more and more accurate. I heartily recommend an NRA course as you will learn much about your sidearm and safe shooting. Remember:
The gun is always loaded always.
Never point the muzzle at anything you do not want to shoot.
Keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot(sights are on target).
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posted on
06/24/2003 11:58:11 AM PDT
by
harpseal
(Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
To: rudy45
Tend to flinch!
Line 'em up......Squeeze 'em off!
To: rudy45
My preference is a Lady's Smith and Wesson. Personally, I'd like to have an Uzi just as a conversation weapon.
To: Cagey
Great video! Love the way her free hand comes up to her mouth in a classic OOPS! gesture after she almost caps the suspects. Thanks for sharing.
New shooters, learn the four rules of gun safety before you touch your weapons.
Glocks are great guns. I liked my wife's so much I bought one just like it (Mod 19).
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:11:41 PM PDT
by
ibbryn
(this tag intentionally left blank)
To: harpseal
Blue Glaser cartridges are great
Stopping power
+ Ricochet & overpenetration protection!
Do not shoot bystanders or thru walls to hit the innocent!
Read up on local handgun use laws for self defense
Home self defense use may still get you in trouble
But better to be judged by 12 then carried by 12
Wearing a GLOCK or NRA ballcap will ward of bad guys more then your concealed GLOCK will
A leather pouch on a belt, worn in cross-draw position left of your belt buckle (even empty) along with the ballcap will educate the criminal mind and prevent most uneccessary confrontations
It will also gain you desired airspace in most environments
Perception is everything
Court time is ridiculous
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:17:02 PM PDT
by
autoresponder
(. . . . SOME CAN*T HANDLE THE TRUTH . . . THE NYT ESPECIALLY!)
To: rudy45
Once upon a time at the range, I was off target. Someone put a bullet on the top of my Glock and had me dry fire....sure enough...I was flinching. Try taking a deep beath and squeezing the trigger on the exhale. Of course, once you become more comfortable shooting, the anticipation and flinching will cease.
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:18:05 PM PDT
by
Feiny
(We will not be cowed by ignorant, racist, redneck ice cream makers.)
To: rudy45
Glocks are generally light-weight and 9mm is a "bigger" round than .380. Most likely your experience will be that recoil is stronger with the Glock. However "recoil" is very subjective.
The normal advice to reduce recoil is 1) Practice (i.e. experience) 2) Having someone load the magazine for you intermixing live rounds and dummy rounds. This makes flenching _VERY_ obvious when you hit the dummy round.
P.S. If you're planning on doing #2 with anything other than a revolver which is very good practice for clearing a semi-auto. I'd _STRONGLY_ suggest getting an instructor! You don't want to be doing live clearing practice without an expert around! (People get shot that way.)
In fact, to safely get proficient with any gun especially a semi-automatic handgun you're really going to need an instructor.
Glock - (Proud owner of a Glock 19C, along with a collection of other fine firearms.)
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:20:02 PM PDT
by
Glock19C
To: rudy45
Why is the spent shell hitting me in the face?It's a Glock thing. My G-19 spews brass in every direction. Wear eye protection and a hat. (Nothing will ruin your concentration faster than a spent brass landing between your temple and the earpiece on your glasses!)
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:25:15 PM PDT
by
Redcloak
(All work and no FReep makes Jack a dull boy. All work and no FReep make s Jack a dul boy. Allwork an)
To: autoresponder
A good Glock gunsmith specialist should be able to work on that slide ejector port.
Done on many Colt 1911s & clones.
Check under Glock in the "Gun List" for these guys.
Several out there that modify the frame/grip for better handling and do all other Glock trickery.
Do not reduce the trigger pull on Glocks.
* Avoid playing Quick Draw McGraw as if you were drawing a Colt SA until you get that finger out of the TG thing down with Glocks.
* SEE: NYC LEO lawsuit settlements
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posted on
06/24/2003 12:25:51 PM PDT
by
autoresponder
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