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The Evil of Dating (Dating vs.Courtship)
Lewrockwell.com ^ | September 7, 2002 | Heather M. Carson

Posted on 06/19/2003 8:29:45 AM PDT by Korth

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To: FoxPro
As a divorce attorney, it sounds to me like your wife still loves you, and her expressing frustration over your not looking at her seems to be symbolic of her frustration over being able to properly communicate with you over whatever it is that is (unfortunately) breaking the two of you up.

Apologize if making a generalization, but see it all the time. Also, if/when she gets violent, put your hands in your pocket and go into another room and shut/lock/barricade the door, or leave the home. Standard advice I give to avoid the phony assault charge and arrest.

221 posted on 06/19/2003 7:10:17 PM PDT by GreatOne (You will bow down before me, Son of Jor-el!)
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To: FoxPro
On YOUR part...You're playing games when you say she makes herself mad.

On purpose or not, and I think its a choice you are making, you are pushing her buttons by making cracks like that.

222 posted on 06/19/2003 7:17:41 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: GreatOne
As a divorce attorney, it sounds to me like your wife still loves you

That’s is a very astute observation, and so I can tell you are a divorce attorney. I am still head over heels in love with her (emotionally), and I know she is with me. The truth is she can’t deal with the guilt, and I can’t deal with the shame, even though this happened 16 years ago. It just keeps growing. As my children and cousins start finding out what happened (as they get older) it has this incredible snowball effect that is really overwhelming. At a certain point you have to move on.

You have to live life the best you can.

223 posted on 06/19/2003 7:28:00 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: Cordova Belle
Tell your son to forget about courting and go back to the really good ol' days--arrange a marriage and get the girl's father to pay him a dowry as a down payment on divorce. Would even up the odds, wouldn't it?

Dating or courting, I don't see why another man should have to woo the family--'cuz you are doing them a favor taking a possibly explosive and irrational creature out of their house. I don't see why a man should have to woo the woman either--unless women are happy slaving away at the career wheel and hitting 40 with a womb as empty as our Savior's Tomb...

I say: arranged marriage and a dowry or no way!

224 posted on 06/19/2003 7:28:09 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: wimpycat
'Cos you two "unburdening" yourselves in this way is quite...well, pitiful, really.

Yeah, we should be quite so other men don't wise up....

225 posted on 06/19/2003 7:31:20 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: Russell Scott
Living together and being sexually active is almost a sure recipe for divorce.

Not if you don't get married.... No Marriage, no divorce, duhhh?

226 posted on 06/19/2003 7:33:13 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: ohioWfan
Sort of takes the initial sympathy one feels away, and makes you wonder if the ones who claim to be the 'victims' here aren't a bit more responsible for the marriage problems than initially revealed.......

Ah, there is the Compassionate Christian Woman coming out.

227 posted on 06/19/2003 7:35:08 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
arrange a marriage and get the girl's father to pay him a dowry as a down payment on divorce.

You have me in stiches out here. Please continue. You have made my day. God is good.

228 posted on 06/19/2003 7:35:24 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: ohioWfan
Sort of takes the initial sympathy one feels away, and makes you wonder if the ones who claim to be the 'victims' here aren't a bit more responsible for the marriage problems than initially revealed.......

Ah, there is the Compassionate Christian Woman coming out.

229 posted on 06/19/2003 7:36:02 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: LibertarianInExile
Heck, Get her a ring--hold your own ceremony with your families and bind a contract with her father and God. Hold her forth as your wife in the sight of the world and God.

If she won't do it because she want that Government paper stamped by the lesbian wiccan court clerk, it's only because she wants men with guns to come and take half of your life away because you aren't a good dancer or whatever...

You would certainly find out if she is in love with you or in love with the powers the government grants her to ruin your life when she finds the next Mr. Right.

230 posted on 06/19/2003 7:43:37 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
You don't seem to want compassion, or healing. You want an excuse to do what you want to do.......or so it seems.....
231 posted on 06/19/2003 7:44:26 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH!!! 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: Abe Froman
Translation: girl plays hard-to-get and plays with every guy's mind. Regular, stand-up guy never really knows where he stands with her. Guy probably has enough after a little while and dumps her. Girl is basically single until some poor lonely sap pathetically sticks it out and becomes so obsessed with her that he asks her to marry him. To his suprise she says "yes", because she knows that any guy who is not a dependent pathetic loser hanging on to a thin shred of hope for a relationship will never stick around for this kind of treatment for very long and if she wants to get married she has no choice.

Why does this passage of yours remind me of Maureen Dowd? This reads as if it describes her perfectly.

232 posted on 06/19/2003 7:44:40 PM PDT by rdb3 (Nerve-racking since 0413hrs on XII-XXII-MCMLXXI)
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To: ohioWfan
I really don't want compassion or healing.... I'm past compassion and healing.

Those are the currency of the Oprahfied therapy nation I'm turning my back on.

233 posted on 06/19/2003 7:56:00 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: ohioWfan; chookter
You don't seem to want compassion, or healing. You want an excuse to do what you want to do

Actually, no, I don’t want compassion or healing (I don’t even know what that is in this context).

I want to love god, enjoy my grown kids, honor my parents, love my country (and hate the government), work hard and produce great art and wealth and have ravenous hot hard horny sweaty sex (and I know how to do this). Is that too much to ask?

I am cute, educated, connected, smart, charming, industrious, resourceful and engaging with a tight body and have never balding curly hair.

Get off of my cloud.

234 posted on 06/19/2003 8:05:07 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: chookter
If you were my son (you're a bit too old), but if you were my son, I would tell you this....

"Yes. Someone hurt you. Someone hurt you badly. But you're a big boy, and you're responsible for your own behavior now. If you use what was done to you as an excuse for immoral, adolescent behavior, then that's JUST what you are............and immoral adolescent. Don't blame God for this. Act like a man, and behave yourself"

That's how a compassionate Christian mother would talk to an angry, stubborn, obstreperous son like you.

Good thing for you I'm not your mother, huh?? You might have to take responsibility for yourself and your behavior, and I don't think you'd like it much.....

235 posted on 06/19/2003 8:06:53 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH!!! 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: FoxPro
See my post #235.......if I were YOUR mother, I'd tell you to grow up and quit feeling sorry for yourself too.
236 posted on 06/19/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT by ohioWfan (BUSH!!! 2004 - Leadership, Integrity, Morality)
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To: FoxPro
Get off of my cloud.

Heh heh...

You know the Rolling Stones lyric: "Hey you! Get offa my cloud?"

Well, in Scotland it goes: "Hey McCloud! Get offa my ewe."

Oh well, we buggered this thread by showing that the result of dating or courting is that you end up with a creature in your house 55% of whom will take 50% of all you have worked for and 100% of your kids.

Did you know that the divorce rate among Army Officers is 85%?

237 posted on 06/19/2003 8:12:16 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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To: chookter
Maybe we should get together and cry on each other’s shoulders. We could help each other "heal". And then we could become more emotionally "in touch with our inner being".

On the other hand I have always wanted to have sex with a large black woman. And I did. And you know what, it wasn’t what I thought it was going to be. But I did it. She was only the second person I have ever had sex with. But she helped my self-confidence enormously.

238 posted on 06/19/2003 8:22:21 PM PDT by FoxPro
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To: egarvue
Seeing as this came from lewrockwell.com, I was surprised to read that the author did not blame modern dating and courtship problems on Abraham Lincoln.

Lincoln had his own problems with dating and courtship. His marriage to Mary Todd was no picnic either.

239 posted on 06/19/2003 8:23:12 PM PDT by Mark Turbo (The saga continues.)
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To: ohioWfan
Don't blame God for this. Act like a man, and behave yourself"

I don't blame God for this. I blame man and the wicked world he has created. 'Acting like a man' would get me thrown in jail, my guns taken and my job taken. The law will not let me act like a man and head of my household.

Good thing for you I'm not your mother, huh??

Let me tell you about my mother: she falsely charged my dad with domestic violence when I was 13 and got a restraining order against him--she then shacked up with her divorce lawyer in the house my father built. I didn't want to live with my mom and her lawyer so I was raised by my dad. He died while I was stationed on the DMZ in Korea. They had been married 23 years. I have no other living family.

When I pleaded in tears with my ex not to call the cops on me out of spite like my mom did to my dad, she said cruelly: "Good. I want you die alone like your rotten father did." As God witnesses me writing this--on my life this is true.

My wife also got all into tarot cards and crystals and all the new age crap after she quit going to church. I suggested to her brother that an exorcism was in order rather a divorce--her brother agreed...

It boggles my mind that she will now be rewarded with half of all I have worked for for the past 6 years for this. I did manage to keep my father's house I live in alone--and will probably eventually die in alone.

240 posted on 06/19/2003 8:26:31 PM PDT by Cogadh na Sith (The Guns of Brixton)
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