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Lock and load (Colorado: Anti-Gun Nut Tries NRA Course)
Boulder Weekly ^ | May 29, 2003 | Pamela White

Posted on 06/17/2003 2:46:02 PM PDT by BulletBobCo

My first feeling at the sight of the desert mesas, the rolling Colorado River and the green valley below is one of intense homesickness. My parents live about 50 miles to the south in Montrose. I haven’t been home for almost two years, and I’m not going home now.

Today my road ends in Palisade. I’ve come to hold up my end of a deal.

Ari Armstrong, a libertarian whose writing appears periodically in Boulder Weekly, publicly challenged me to take a National Rifle Association personal defense course ("Pamela White gun challenge," Speaking Out, Dec. 19, 2002). His challenge came in response to a column I had written about the night my apartment was broken into by two men with switchblades. Saved from being raped at knifepoint by the timely intervention of two CU police officers, I spent years coping with the trauma of that incident.

My column was intended to share what I felt was some level of transcendence over the violence of that night. In the column, I explained that, although I’d have shot and killed the two intruders if I’d had a gun that night, I now feel violence is not the answer, even when the issue is self-defense. ("The night I would have killed," Uncensored, Aug. 22, 2002.)

In response, Ari wrote, "It pained me to read her ignorant perspective on gun ownership and the right of self-defense… She misunderstands the nature of self-defense and the appropriate use of a gun."

Not one to turn down a dare, I publicly accepted his offer.

As Lee Boren, an NRA member and lifelong hunter whom I was about to meet would say, "A deal is a deal. You stick to it until hell freezes over and you’ve walked five miles on the ice."

Ari tells me he hopes two things will come out of this weekend. He hopes first of all to demystify guns so that I come to see them as tools, as opposed to little metallic monsters, the embodiment of violence and evil. He also hopes to combat stereotypes I might have about people whom we in Boulder might simply call "gun nuts."

We stay the night at the home of his father and stepmother, Linn and Sharon Armstrong. Linn is a Vietnam Veteran, a certified NRA instructor and one of the founders of this course, which has trained some 2,000 people since 1991.

I go to bed feeling more than a little nervous. Before I fall asleep, Neo pops into my mind. "Guns," he says. "Lots of guns."

I’ve never even held a gun.

Digging double taps

The first day of the class starts at 7 a.m. No skinny vanilla latté to wake me up, just the scenery–green orchards, the high walls of the desert canyon and the muddy waters of the Colorado.

We arrive at the Grand Valley Training Club, and I meet Dean Blanck, our lead instructor. He helps me sign in, hands me a packet of information.

Right away I realize something significant: I’m the only gun virgin in the room. Everyone else has arrived carrying handguns, which they deposit on a table. They all know each other and talk in code.

"D’you bring your 22 or the semi-auto?"

"Gonna try my 22 today. Bringin’ my new nine millimeter tomorrow."

Whatever. I slink into a corner, the lone representative of the People’s Republic.

Dean and Gary Barto spend the morning instructing us in basic handgun safety.

"ALWAYS keep your gun pointed in a safe direction. ALWAYS keep your finger off the trigger until you’re ready to shoot. ALWAYS keep the gun unloaded until you’re ready to use it. ALWAYS handle a gun as if it is loaded."

It’s a drill we repeat throughout the weekend.

Dean and Gary teach us how guns work, how to check them to see if they’re loaded, what to do if one jams or misfires.

I find I don’t always understand what they’re talking about. I raise my hand and ask questions to which everyone else already knows the answer.

"What’s automatic about a semi-automatic?"

Just before lunch, we get to try what we’ve learned, while handling unloaded handguns. Ari hands me a .22 double-action revolver. (I now know what these words mean.)

I accept it as if it were a rattlesnake. Slowly, I check it for cartridges, click the cylinder in place, practice the stance they’ve taught us and–it feels like a big moment–pull the trigger.

Except that I can’t really pull the trigger. It’s too heavy. I have to use two fingers, and even then it’s tough.

Then it’s time for lunch. I do my best to eat, but with a belly full of butterflies it’s not easy. (OK, so I make extra effort where the chocolate brownies are concerned.)

At 1, we gather at the shooting range. A group of instructors has joined the class, including Linn Armstrong. They will act as personal coaches for the afternoon, giving one-on-one attention to participants, many of whom enrolled to qualify for concealed carry permits.

One of the instructors–all volunteers–is Lee Boren who, after hearing my name, says, "Oh, you’re that gal. I didn’t think we’d ever see you over here. I told them that if you came over I wanted to be your coach."

Each of us is given a spot along the firing line. I’m in front of target number nine. Before me sits a box of .22 cartridges, the .22 revolver and a .22 semi-automatic, safety goggles and ear protection.

As Dean coaches us through the rules of range, my coach, Jeannette Tyson, realizes there’s no way I can pull the trigger on the revolver and suggests we switch to the semi-automatic.

I don’t know what I think about that, but Dean is telling us to load five rounds, so I put on my eye and ear protection and, with Jeanette’s help, load five cartridges.

Dean tells us we can fire.

The room erupts in noise so loud that, even with ear protection, I gasp in surprise.

Something hot flies through the air and hits my face. I jump.

"It’s just a spent cartridge from his .22, honey. It’s OK."

The man to my right has a .38, and every shot sounds like a canon.

I still haven’t fired.

The surprise begins to wear off, and Jeannette coaches me into the right position.

I click the slide forward, focus on the front sight, fire.

One, two, three, four, five.

The target is too far away for me to see the results, and I’m pretty certain my rounds ended up in China.

But Jeannette tells me I nailed the target.

"That’s a good group," she says.

"How many years you been shootin’?" one of the other instructors asks me.

"Those were her first shots," Linn tells him.

Our targets are not the shady outlines of human beings or bulls-eyes, but white pieces of paper roughly the size of the adult human torso. When we go to collect our targets, I see my five shots would have turned someone’s heart and liver into pudding.

It makes me queasy to view the paper as a human body, so I stop thinking about it and spend the rest of the afternoon focusing on how I handle the gun. We shoot sitting, standing, with our left hands, with our right, at close range, single action, double taps.

I dig double taps.

My aim stays steady, regardless of what Dean makes us do, and I find it ironic that I might have some talent for an activity that I’ve always considered distasteful. I begin to get into a rhythm.

Load cartridges, pop in the magazine, click the slide into place, get my grip, focus, fire.

By the end of the day I’m forced to admit that target shooting is, well, fun.

I joke with the other members of the class about being from the People’s Republic of Boulder, but tell them I speak fluent Western Slope. They make self-deprecating remarks about being rednecks. The "gun nuts" and I get along just fine.

Simulated attack

The next day starts at 6:45 a.m. Palisade Police Chief Carroll Quarles gives a presentation about Colorado’s "Make My Day" law and the use of lethal force in self-defense, using real examples from his three decades of law enforcement.

He tries to help us understand the nuances of the law. Are you immune from prosecution if you shoot someone who’s outside trying to steal your car? No. How about if someone breaks into your home while you’re asleep to steal your TV? It depends on the totality of the circumstances.

During one of the breaks, I tell Chief Quarles about what happened to me–how two young men with switchblades had cased out my apartment in the middle of the night, how they’d broken through one of my windows with the backs of their knives, how the police had arrived in time to keep me from being raped.

When he takes the podium again, Chief Quarles asks me to share the story with the class–proof that such a thing can happen to anyone. It’s not hard to talk about it. I’ve spoken about it many times, and it was many years ago.

But when Chief Quarles leaves, we watch a couple of videos about home safety. Both illustrate the myriad ways people can break into your home. One scenario depicts an attack eerily similar to the one I endured. I find it very hard to watch.

We break for lunch, then return for more shooting practice. But this time is different. Linn is in charge today and works to help us understand how stress can impact your effectiveness with a firearm. He adds elements designed to throw us off.

Until we reach the point of confronting an attacker, I do pretty well, with the help of today’s coach, Sharon Armstrong. But when Linn instructs us to shout at an imagined intruder, I find myself suddenly struggling to focus. I don’t want to do this. Tears pour down my cheeks, pool in my goggles, as I force myself to shout the words.

"Stop! Go away! The police are on their way! I have a gun! If you come inside, I will shoot you!"

Somehow it feels too real, and my aim falters until the last few attempts, when I manage to get my emotions under control.

Then we commence the next exercise, a simulated break-in. The object is to use words, backed up by the potential of lethal force, to subdue a would-be attacker until the police arrive. To illustrate, Ari plays the role of attacker, Linn that of the defender.

I watch, feel something akin to panic. When it comes time to perform the exercise, I can barely find my voice.

"I can’t do this," I say. I leave the range, lock myself in the women’s room.

For 10 minutes, I can do nothing but cry. The raw terror I thought I had overcome years ago has returned, and I feel shaken. I splash my face with cold water, but eventually give up on trying not to cry and leave the bathroom.

Sharon is outside waiting for me, gives me a hug.

Lee, Dean and some of the other instructors come to check on me, offer a hug, share their support.

Compassionate gun nuts. After two intense days, they feel like friends.

Then Dean tells me how he was attacked some years ago, before he owned a gun. One night as he was making an after-hours deposit at the bank, he was attacked by a man who fired three .38 rounds at him at point-blank range. The attacker missed his target, but Dean was very shaken.

"I know exactly how you feel right now," Dean says, his arm around my shoulder.

I struggle to compose myself as the other students finish the last exercise, one designed to illustrate how quickly an attacker can reach you–and perhaps even overpower you–before you can make use of a firearm.

I don’t need to do that exercise, because I already know.

By 6 p.m., Dean is ready to hand out certificates. We each receive two, as this course combines two separate NRA trainings–basic practical for handguns and self-protection. I accept my certificates, feeling every bit that I have earned them.

Someone asks me what I’m going to write when I get back home.

I tell them I don’t know.

"It’s going to take me a while to digest this."

Guns or no guns?

There’s a simple wisdom common to rural people, one you can still find on the Western Slope, where conversations are unhurried, honesty is expected and hard work the rule of life. Many are comfortable with guns because they grew up with them.

Contrary to the image of gun-crazed zealots who just want to shoot–prairie dogs, road signs, people’s tires–those I met believed men and women have a Constitutional right to protect themselves and their families through the use of firearms. That’s why they volunteered more than 16 hours of their weekend to help others learn this skill.

But over the course of the weekend, I heard Dean, Gary, Linn, Chief Quarels and others give more reasons not to shoot than to fire away. They painstakingly covered ways to thwart attackers without resorting to the use of firearms–then discussed how to use firearms as a last resort. This was very different rhetoric than what I had expected to hear.

Still, I get stuck on one fact: The use of a gun can result in loss of human life. While firearms may be tools, they are tools designed to take life. Yes, more people might die in swimming-pool related accidents, and it is possible to kill someone with a dinner fork, but neither swimming pools nor dinner forks were made specifically to kill. Guns were.

To their credit, the instructors were careful to make a couple of points. First, many criminals are frightened away once they realize their intended victim is armed; even should the worst occur, pulling the trigger is probably unnecessary. And, second, not everyone is suited for gun ownership.

"If you don’t know for certain that you can pull that trigger, don’t own a gun for personal protection!" Dean told the class several times.

I was happy to hear these things.

But there’s more to it than this.

Some of us want a world in which guns–and all forms of violence–are nonexistent. We believe we cannot achieve this society through the use of violence, but only through non-violence. Some of us even believe it better to lose your life to violence than to use violence to defend your life. Sound crazy?

The world leaders I admire didn’t think so: Buddha, Jesus, Mahatma Gandhi, the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

But I admire Dean, too, and Ari, and Linn, and Sharon and Lee and Jeannette. They’re not weirdos living on the fringe, but compassionate, brave and honest people with a set of beliefs that demand they be responsible, armed citizens.

So did Ari accomplish what he set out to accomplish with this gun challenge?

I think so. It was a tough weekend for me. It forced me to face both stereotypes I might have had, as well as lingering nightmares. I discovered an ability I didn’t know I had–target shooting–and overcame my fear of holding a gun. I even learned that shooting targets can be fun.

Where does this leave me?

I had mixed feelings about guns before the training, and I have mixed feelings now. I’m a pacifist, but I’m qualified for concealed carry. Although I don’t want a gun, I know how to use one should the need arise. I understand the need to feel safe–I understand fear–but I’m not sure a gun could help me sleep more soundly at night.

I guess I’ll be sorting this out for a while.

I call up a close friend when I get back, talk about the experience with him. He asks if I want to come shoot with him at a range in Denver. I say I do, particularly if I get to try his father’s 9 mm. At the end of our conversation I tell him I feel a sense of pride about completing the course. I feel like I walked my five miles on hell’s ice and came away with a new insight–and, more importantly, new friends.

With abundant thanks to Ari Armstrong for having enough faith in his own beliefs to challenge mine. Thanks to Linn and Sharon Armstrong for their hospitality and to all the instructors at Grand Valley Training Club for their wisdom and understanding. For information on this NRA training, call 970-464-5177. For another take on this, go to www.co-freedom.com/2003/05/challengeii.html.


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To: BulletBobCo
Overall a pretty balanced article from a person I expect is a flaming liberal. My wife had a similar "epiphany" when I took her to a CMP "leg" match. She is the daughter of two public school teachers so she was brought up being told that guns are "evil". The proficiency of the shooters impressed her somewhat, but what really shocked her was how friendly everyone was to her. She couldn't believe that people participating in a competetive sport could be so helpful and friendly.
41 posted on 06/17/2003 6:31:15 PM PDT by Tailback
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To: Hot Tabasco
Nebraska requies a FOID, or permit to purchase (Good for 3 years) for handguns, and their defintion of handgun does not exempt black powder front stuffers. Thus they couldn't sell it to you. They could however ship the gun to an out of state (or instate for that matter) FFL dealer.

Michigan also has a permit to purchase requirement for handguns, so the Michigan dealer could not transfer it to you without the Michigan purchase permit(which is a one time deal, and amounts to a registration scheme as the record of sale is sent to the state as well as being retained by the local LEO) Both Nebraska and Michigan do not exempt private sales from the permit to purchase requirement. (BTW, WRT Nebraska, that's news to me, a former Cornhusker, although I knew about the FOID requirement).

Thus your situtation was purely a state matter, not a federal one. In many states, including Texas (GO SPURS!) no permit is required to purchase, only the federal form 4473 and the instant background check apply, and those do not apply to private sales. I've bought one handgun and one rifle since the Brady check went into effect for each. Both at a local gunshow, from licensed dealers. Instant check really was, in both cases. The dealer retained the 4473. I also bought my first centerfire handgun, a 1911A1, after Brady passed but before it went into effect and a "serious social purposes" shotgun just before the Instant Check for long guns went into effect. Somewhere in there I also bought a centerfire semi-auto detachable maganzine rifle, with bayonet lug from a private individual at a gun show. (shortly thereafter I also bought the proper bayonet, just to pi$$ off the likes of Fineswine and Old Lizard Face :) )

42 posted on 06/17/2003 6:41:19 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: BulletBobCo
At least she was honest. Still, I get stuck on one fact: The use of a gun can result in loss of human life. While firearms may be tools, they are tools designed to take life. Yes, more people might die in swimming-pool related accidents, and it is possible to kill someone with a dinner fork, but neither swimming pools nor dinner forks were made specifically to kill. Guns were.

Firearms can serve several purposes, not all of which involve killing. They are designed to expel a projectile, and that's what they do no matter how they are used (unless they are malfunctioning).

Some of us want a world in which guns–and all forms of violence–are nonexistent.

I'm amazed that she would consider an inanimate object a form of violence.

43 posted on 06/17/2003 9:38:19 PM PDT by Djarum
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Hmmmmm pachelbel's canon in D played loud on a .38 ..........I'll be awanting that CD Slim .....:o)

Stooooopid socialist grabbers would bitch if they were hung with a new rope.......Stay Safe !

44 posted on 06/17/2003 9:57:51 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: section9
Did the Jews who died in the Holocaust believe that it would be better to resist Nazi violence with pacifism, or would they have rather been armed?

I've often wondered about this over the years, specifically why the Jews went so easily to the transports, and ultimately, the death camps.

Part of it -- indeed most of it, I'm convinced -- was that there was no precedent for the vast scope of the Nazi genocide. And the collective mindset of European Jews could not conceive of such a thing until it was too late.

But part of it also was a prevailing world-view among the Jewish people that their key to success, or merely their survival was in being clever, rather than confrontational. Sadly, that paradigm was shattered between 1942-45. Jews didn't see the value of picking up a gun to defend themselves until 1948.

Better late than never, I guess.

45 posted on 06/17/2003 10:20:46 PM PDT by Euro-American Scum
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To: Hot Tabasco
The requirement to send the gun to an FFL dealer is federal when shipping any gun. Beyond that what you were dealing with is state laws. In many states there is no paperwork required to purchase from an individual. I have purchased, and traded for several pistols since Brady was passed with no paperwork.

In Arizona there is no permit required to buy a pistol, if it is purchased from a dealer a background check, and a filled out 4473 is required. CCW permit holders are not required to undergo the background check, show the dealer the CCW, fill out the 4473, pay for the gun, and walk out the door with it.

46 posted on 06/17/2003 10:30:07 PM PDT by c-b 1
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To: BulletBobCo
Thanks for the ping. I am surprised she followed through. I have written to several local L.A. female reporters who have expressed gun bias....not one ever replied. I get the feeling that she will continue to shoot (her male friend will help)....and she will meet more "gun nuts"....she will become one of us.....slowly.....the conversion will happen.....(insert maniacal laughter).
47 posted on 06/17/2003 10:41:50 PM PDT by Feiny (Utinam logica falsa tuam philosophiam totam suffodiant!)
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To: feinswinesuksass
Bang
48 posted on 06/18/2003 1:42:55 AM PDT by Ben Dover
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To: BulletBobCo
Some of us want a world in which guns–and all forms of violence–are nonexistent. We believe we cannot achieve this society through the use of violence, but only through non-violence. Some of us even believe it better to lose your life to violence than to use violence to defend your life. Sound crazy?

Just naive and suicidal, but hey, far be it from me to take a wizz on her self-destructive martyr fantasies.

49 posted on 06/18/2003 4:34:32 AM PDT by RogueIsland
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To: Tijeras_Slim
she is so indoctrinated in the anti-gun culture she thinks a .38 sounds like someone taking a picture with a canon rather than a booming cannon...
50 posted on 06/18/2003 4:52:06 AM PDT by teeman8r
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To: BulletBobCo
bump
51 posted on 06/18/2003 4:52:33 AM PDT by Maelstrom (To prevent misinterpretation or abuse of the Constitution:The Bill of Rights limits government power)
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To: BulletBobCo
Some of us want a world in which guns–and all forms of violence–are nonexistent. We believe we cannot achieve this society through the use of violence, but only through non-violence. Some of us even believe it better to lose your life to violence than to use violence to defend your life. Sound crazy?

It's fine for her to be willing to lose her life, rather than defending it, but I do NOT want to be forced by people like her to give up my life for her beliefs!

Mark

52 posted on 06/18/2003 5:15:45 AM PDT by MarkL (OK, I'm going to crawl back under my rock now!)
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To: BulletBobCo
Some of us want a world in which guns–and all forms of violence–are nonexistent.
I'd say ALL of us would want that but its not realistic, never going to happen in this lifetime. So, its my right and my responsiblity to defend myself and others should the need arise. I would defend the life of this author even though the sound of a 38 scares her.
53 posted on 06/18/2003 7:33:47 AM PDT by D1X1E (Liberal...someone so open-minded that their brains have fallen out.)
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To: section9
Some of us want a world in which guns–and all forms of violence–are nonexistent. We believe we cannot achieve this society through the use of violence, but only through non-violence. Some of us even believe it better to lose your life to violence than to use violence to defend your life. Sound crazy?

I'm glad that she went shooting - the longest journey begins with a single step. BUT... she's still really naive. The first sentence shows that she doesn't accept reality - I want lots of things, too, but I try not to waste time on the ones that are unattainable. The 2nd to last sentence is, in fact, crazy. It is also pure stupidity and pure evil. She seems to think that she has a right to give up the life she's been so generously given without a fight, and that letting a murderer live (perhaps to murder again) as opposed to a person like herself is better for the rest of society. As I recall from the original article, she has a kid - does letting herself get murdered help her child? She CANNOT have thought this through - she is clearly STILL traumatized by the incident she described, and the trauma has obviously shut down a lot of the little reasoning ability she had to begin with.

As for me, if I'm ever unfortunate enough to be in a position of having to kill or be killed, I constantly pray that don't freeze and that I have the good sense to do the former. I have a family that I am responsible for, and letting myself get taken out by some murdering SOB(s) isn't a very responsible thing to do.

Did the Jews who died in the Holocaust believe that it would be better to resist Nazi violence with pacifism, or would they have rather been armed?

I have read lots of accounts of this greatest of horrors, and I have yet to see a single account of someone holding a loaded gun that was forced onto a cattle car or into a gas chamber. I've seen lots of the actual films of the concentration camps, and I have yet to see a dead body clutching a smoking gun. Having known and met a number of survivors, I know that they ALL wish that they could've fought the Nazis and at least TRIED to save the lives of their loved ones.

My wife's uncle, whose entire family was murdered, was in Birkenau and 3 other camps, and he owns LOTS of guns, incl. a machine gun - I'm sure that his view is: "Never again - but if again, not for free."

I subscribe to this view - the only way that I will ever give up my means of self defense to a modern version of the Nazis, or to a government intent on imposing a dictatorship, is when the gun I am holding has a substantially higher temperature than my body. In other words, they can have my guns-bullets first. In yet other words, I'd rather die on my feet fighting than on my knees begging. And, in the immortal words of King Leonidas I of Sparta, "MOLON LABE!"

54 posted on 06/18/2003 7:49:01 AM PDT by Ancesthntr
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To: BulletBobCo
Kudos to Pamela White for writing this piece, which must have been incredibly difficult. If a liberal can actually discover that most of us "gun nuts" are human beings, there may be hope for the world yet.
55 posted on 06/18/2003 7:59:45 AM PDT by jpl
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To: BulletBobCo
Wow, great article.

My father and I took my mother shooting for the first time last year, she was afraid at first but with about 20 min she was doing 2 in. groups at 75 ft. with my mini-14 (not quite so good with the P90 but she enjoyed that too). She now has a .223 keychain :-) . Actually everytime i've taken someone who was afraid of guns shooting, they've come out with a new respect after having some fun.
56 posted on 06/18/2003 8:18:54 AM PDT by rattrap
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To: Ancesthntr; section9
If you're interested in the holecaust, I suggest finding a book called, "Am I a Murderer?" by Calel Perechodnik, Westview Press.

It's an account of a Jewish Policeman and I stongly reccommend it.
57 posted on 06/18/2003 8:24:50 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
I'll never forget the time a guy in the next stall whipped out a .454 Casull.

I practically hit my head on the ceiling.
58 posted on 06/18/2003 8:25:53 AM PDT by ko_kyi
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To: ko_kyi
in the next stall

That's what you get for shooting in a restroom. :)

59 posted on 06/18/2003 8:27:16 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: section9
"Did the Jews who died in the Holocaust believe that it would be better to resist Nazi violence with pacifism, or would they have rather been armed?"

This woman would not have resisted. Maybe too many of the Jews were like her. The apparent views of (most?) Jews in America, today (liberal socialist), make me think that most were pacifists and would not have resisted. So, when you say that you think we know the answer, I am not sure.
60 posted on 06/18/2003 8:33:45 AM PDT by Empire_of_Liberty
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