An INSANE situation up in Waltham, Massachusetts

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[GovernmentShrinker]

Which might have worked just fine in 1803, but is a great way of raising kids who are going to be a drain on the tax dollars of everyone else. Now my personal experience with homeschooling (and my kids are homeschooled) is that homeschooled kids are in general way ahead of public school kids.

If these educrat-fascists were really worried about kids growing up to be a drain on society, they'd focus on the kids who ARE in their government schools, which routinely turn out large numbers of completely ignorant, illiterate, and uncivilized young adults. The worst homeschooled kids aren't as bad as the worst government-schooled kids. As for the religious nutcase homeschoolers, at least they make sure the kids can READ -- so what if they've never read anything but the Bible; if they can read, then when they're grown up and out of the nest, they'll be ABLE to read other things.

[Hank Kerchief]

Opps sorry, wrong thread.

Wrong person, too, since I wold never quote the EB.

Dissappointed too, because I had a really juicy reply, and now it's wasted.

Hank

[Courier]

Very sorry.

Admin Moderator: the one that really needed to go was 76. Thanks.

[Technogeeb]

Goose-stepping, swastika waving, Nazi people! What a bunch of socialistic fascists!
UNBELIEVABLE!

Not that I'm disagreeing either way, but were you talking about the goose-steppers in the article, or their ideological clones (pseudo-conservative RINOs defending their actions) here in this thread?

[greccogirl]

No. They should NOT have to take the tests when private schools do not, the Amish do not, and other instances. Do you really think that being in government school assures one of getting a minimum education to get a job or go to college? Please! Half the kids out there drop out and I'm appalled and how poorly educated most of them are who stay in.
It is easy to see what is behind this. The government does NOT want you homeschooling your children not because of education at ALL but because of your "social" education. You might be taught something the government doesn't like!

[servantoftheservant]

its like taking a test for a driver's license -- you dont just take everyone's word. ... Take the test.

Bwaaahahahahahahaaa! It's hilarious to me that you think the government is the final arbitor of education!! It is neither the right nor the responsibility of government to oversee the 'education' of children. Society has no right to test my or your children to see if they are educated to 'government standards', much less to take away perfectly happy children from a loving home because they will not submit the whim of some bureaucrat.

The failure of government schools is overwhelming. I know, I went to public school on the south side of Chicago. Thank God my parents provided me with what little time they could to educate me, and they also instilled in me a desire to learn. I learned despite public school, not because of it.

We are, if you do not know this by now, a nation of laws. Without them, total chaos and self interests impose on the rights of others.

The genius freedom philosophers that began this country came from 'nations of laws'. The rights of the individual are what make this country great, not the fact that assinine, ivory tower control freaks pass volume upon volume of laws every year. This country's value is 'Free'dom, not 'Law'dom.

Oh, and btw, laws can be an instrument to impose "chaos and self-interest" as well. Or are you that naive?

[servantoftheservant]

bump

[goldilucky]

Some serious phone calls to make on this one for sure!!!!

That action taken by those bureaucrats is the exact practice taken by the Nazi's in the 1930's when German children were taken from their parents and forced by the State to attend government schools.

In America we have the right to homeschool our children by invoking the First Amendment as a legal basis for refusing to send one's child to a government school that despises Jesus Christ. Public schools are mental institutions designed to make one's child mentally, and soulfully ill.

[BenR2]

To take the position that homeschoolers are exempt from standardized testing (which is the least intrusive way for a state to determine that, yes, the kids are actually being educated instead of watching the cartoon channel all day) is like saying "heck, I'm a good driver, I don't need no stinkin' license, so I ain't gonna get one!" Well, yeah, maybe you are a good driver, and maybe you aren't, but if you are going to be on the roads with the rest of us we would like more than just your word on it!

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And you prefer to take the "state's" word for what constitutes adequate education because . . . ? (Certainly not because the state does such a good job of turning out educated citizens.)

[BenR2]

Also education. Is that too oppressive? Just take the standardized tests and shut up!


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LOL. You would have just LOVED Mussolini.

[Travelgirl]

Maybe the parents should make a deal with the school...you can test our kids if we can test your teachers.

[Thinkin' Gal]

All the government wants is to know they are really being educated.

They don't seem to care about that at the government schools. Talk about hypocrisy. For every flaky home schooler, there are thousands upon thousands of braindead victims of educrats.

[Xthe17th]

I don't blame them: Some 4,800 Mass. students fail exit exams in first year

[Sarah]

I can see your point but to boldly state "we will do with them as we see fit".....is over the line. Obviously, once things get to the point of enforcement things get ugly. The family had YEARS of seeing this coming...

[Sarah]

I agree in terms of quality of education. We've private/ and or home schooled all of our children. The point is not this, it's whether a parent can absolve his family from even the bare minimum of standardized testing to prove he's actually educating his children.

[Sarah]

The kind of opinion I'd expect from someone volunteering to adopt the screen name 'Sloth'.

[Mulder]

One the one hand, we don't want "the state" especially as represented by social workers to decide to just take custody of kids because they don't like the fact that the parents haven't had their kids take a standardized test. On the other hand, we don't want some nut cases deciding that home schooling means they can keep their kids pig ignorant so that all they are fit for when they are adults is welfare and crime.

How about this for a compromise:

The kid takes the test. If he scores "average" or better, the parents get a refund on their property taxes for the "average" cost to educate a child in MA.

This would assume of course, that what passes for the American education system is concerned primarily with education. In reality, their only objective is indoctrination and building empires based on stolen goods.

[Sarah]

The bulk of your post I answered in responses to others, but I just wanted to tell you a bit about vaccination studies.
The way vaccination of a population works is that when a vast majority of a given group vaccinates itself the disease no longer thrives there. Now given the fact that nothing is perfect, there are many that were in fact given the shots but are not in actuality innoculated against the disease. The way that these are protected is that the fact that the vast majority IS innoculated does not allow the disease to thrive and therefore those that are not in actuality safe from the disease never get it because they never have contact with the disease itself.
So, actually, someone could decide for himself that he will rely on the fact that he will never be exposed to the disease in his life, and avoid the pain/ possible side-effects of the shots and just coast on the situation provided by others eradicating the disease from the population.
So this may actually work for one person, but obviously not if everyone decided to opt out.