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I don't understand why you would criticize me for making a risk-benefit anaylsis here.

Obviously you see sex as just another bodily function, like yawning, scratching an itch, or sneezing. It is much more than that, and those who abstain until marriage know what the added dimension is. It is a spiritual union, and the ultimate expression of deep love for your partner. That's not something that you can experience with Linda on Monday, Sarah on Tuesday, Rhonda on Wednesday, etc., or even if they're a month apart. Your attitude is shallow, and I'd bet that your love for any woman is shallow as well. I have been down that road, and I finally realized why it hurt so much when I broke up with a woman. It was a tearing apart of that spiritual union. If you've never experienced that pain, then you've never really loved.

The whole risk-benefit analysis thing is a laugh. The risk you're assessing is the one to yourself; The benefit you're assessing is also the one to yourself. There is no thought of another there, it's all about you. That's not love for another, it's love for yourself, and only yourself.

don't understand why you would criticize me for making a risk-benefit anaylsis here. Obviously you see sex as just another bodily function, like yawning, scratching an itch, or sneezing. It is much more than that, and those who abstain until marriage know ... [...] The whole risk-benefit analysis thing is a laugh. The risk you're assessing is the one to yourself; The benefit you're assessing is also the one to yourself. There is no thought of another there, it's all about you. .

Don't you understand that when you try to convince people like me not to have sex by telling us about all the incurable STDs out there, you are inviting us to make this risk-benefit analysis? You seem to think that risk-benefit anaylsis can't be used for deep emotional type stuff, or that performing that anaylsis cheapens the act in some way, but that just isn't the case - we all do it.

Your attitude is shallow, and I'd bet that your love for any woman is shallow as well.

See, it's not enough for you to go out and live your life morally and be happy. You have to criticize my life and my attitude knowing essentially nothing about me. Why can't you accept that you are happy the way you are and that I am happy the way I am? I'm not telling you that there is something wrong with the way you live your life. What gives you the right or authority to deem my attitude and life shallow?

I have been down that road, and I finally realized why it hurt so much when I broke up with a woman. It was a tearing apart of that spiritual union. If you've never experienced that pain, then you've never really loved.

I don't understand. You say that you hurt a bunch when you broke up with a woman that you were just fornicating with? And you say that if I never experienced that pain, then I've never really loved? So the only way I can have loved is by breaking up with a woman I'm fornicating with and experiencing the rending of that spiritual union? I really don't get it...

The whole risk-benefit analysis thing is a laugh. The risk you're assessing is the one to yourself; The benefit you're assessing is also the one to yourself.

Of course. Do you even understand what a risk-benefit analysis is? It's not placing a moral judgement on anything. All it is is a way for people to make decisions based on the perceived risk and perceived benefit of any given course of action. It is a basic cognitive process and everyone does it - even you. You are correct when you say that the risk-benefit analysis is a selfish act - by defintion, it has to be. This doesn't mean one has to exclude others from the analysis - for instnace, if I choose a course of action that hurts someone, it makes me feel bad so I don't choose that course of action.

That's not love for another, it's love for yourself, and only yourself.

I'm not sure what the point of this is. Are you saying that it isn't possible for anyone to fall in love if they engage in pre-marital sex?