He's celibate until marriage, and dates won't tolerate it

Chicago Sun-Times ^ | June 15, 2003 | Mary Mitchell

[George W. Bush]

I know how hard it is for guys to stay virgins (I have 3 brothers) and that is why I respect guys that have the self-control to wait for something that is so much better. THOSE guys will make the best husbands.

You're a wise young woman. And your patience will be rewarded when you marry one of those young men.

Don't listen to the libertines on this thread. They're a pack of old fragged-out unwashed and unrepentant hippies who never did learn from their mistakes. Most of them have spread a lot of misery, disease, abortion and divorce in their pursuit of hedonism.

You're on the right course, the one most likely to bring you a happy marriage and a good family life.

[TheSpottedOwl]

Thanks for posting your list, it's a good one. If one has those qualities, he/she also will be faithful. It's all one ball of wax, so to speak.

[BenR2]

Once more.
Just where exactly does it say that?
WELL, Big Mouth?

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It never says thou shalt not shit on yourself in the Bible, either, but most people understand that it is implied.

[Paleo Conservative]

Can you imagine a debate between her and Hill?

Regardless how she would do in head to head debates, the press will spin everything in Hillary's favor. The New York Times' Blair scandle is just the tip of the iceberg as far as press manipulation of the news is concerned.

[BenR2]

or so he claimed ;)

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Try -- for just one minute -- to come up for air (out of the gutter, that is).

[BenR2]

Jesus Christ (who remained celebate until he was -- yep: 33)


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No. Not mine only. It is the consensus of believing Christian theologians for the past 2000 years.

[nobdysfool]

I applaud your forthrightness, and your virtue. You have made a good choice, and I know how hard it is to stay with that. Would to God there were more women like you!

[BenR2]

Since you are LOL, you must have a direct line to past history trhat says Jesus did not marry. If so, let us know where to find the scripture so we can LOL too.

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Please see my post #483 below.

There is NO VERSE saying: "and Jesus did not marry." There is no verse that says, "There is a Trinity," either. Guess what: I believe that Jesus went to the cross a celibate, just as strongly as I believe in the Triune Godhead.

For a good discussion of the moral impeccability of Jesus (vis-a-vis, say, Muhammad or Gautama), please see:
http://www.jesusamongothergods.com/why_jesus.htm

[nobdysfool]

is a celibate man any less "controlled by his groin" is choosing a mate than a promiscuous one?

First, you have to buy into the idea that a man IS controlled by his groin. Most here apparently have or are, judging by the responses. Feminists have been trying to "dumb down" men for the last 40 years or so. Look at how men are portrayed in commercials and on TV. Dim-witted, blithering idiots that can only be saved from their sheer stupidity by the 'empowered" woman, the logical, brainy, has-it-all-together, "smart" one. It naturally follows then, that men are creatures who only operate on instinct, and their sexual drive is the most poweful force in the universe to them. That's what Feminists think, and they apparently have succeeded in getting men to think of themselves that way, too.

Real men aren't that way. A real man controls his sexual urges, they don't control him. A real man has self-control. A real man doesn't screw every woman in sight, even if he can and has the opportunity. A real man has respect for himself, respect for women, and respect for morality. Men are not what Feminists define them as, they are what God defines them as. A real man loves and respects God, His Word, and lives by it.

[Bellflower]

So what was he "trying to prove" by dating that woman for six months and then saying he couldn't commit?

... I repeat, he's not very kind.

But if he would have lived with her, slept with her and shared her most intimate self and then decided she wasn't the one and rejected her at her deepest level that would be kind?

[jethropalerobber]

i appreciate your enthusiastic reply, but to the point, do you in fact think physical attraction is less of a factor in whom celibates choose to marry than it is for other people?

(btw, i like you FR homepage statement)

[hellinahandcart]

Yes, absolutely, it must be either/or.

(eye roll)

[hellinahandcart]

Well, you certainly know what you're looking for, so you have a very good chance of finding it, IMO.

[Mihalis]

Question: After a platonic relationship he decides to marry the woman. Is this a healthy decision?

[connectthedots]

Did you survive your chemistry class?

[TheSpottedOwl]

Regardless how she would do in head to head debates, the press will spin everything in Hillary's favor. The New York Times' Blair scandle is just the tip of the iceberg as far as press manipulation of the news is concerned.

Well said.

[nobdysfool]

i appreciate your enthusiastic reply, but to the point, do you in fact think physical attraction is less of a factor in whom celibates choose to marry than it is for other people?

Physical attraction plays a part for both men and women, regardless of whether they are celibate or promiscuous. Whether or not it is less of a factor for celibates, I claim no real knowledge. My guess would be that it varies with the individual, the same as what is "attractive" varies from indivudual to individual. We've all seen couples that we can't help but wonder what each sees in the other, but that's because we have a different idea of what's attractive (to us) than they do.

I still say that if being celibate makes physical attraction more of a factor, then, in the case of men, you are actually reinfocing the idea that men are slaves to their sexual appetites, at least to some degree. I don't think that's necessarily true, nor should it be. Do I have a sexual appetite? Certainly! I was married for 16 years, and fathered 3 children. We all know how that happened. I've been divorced for 12 years. Have I had sex in those 12 years? Yes, and I've learned through painful reality that it isn't in my best interest to do so outside of marriage. That's why I support the idea of celibacy. Is it difficult to abstain? Yes! But I feel better about myself, and if things don't work out between me and someone I date, it doesn't hurt near as much, because there's no spiritual union to rip apart. Not only that, but I've found that the woman isn't hurt as much either, and several of those women remain good friends.

It's all about boundaries. Setting boundaries makes it easier to truly get to know someone, because having sex by the third date only confuses the issue. I don't buy this idea that people have to "find out if they're sexually compatible". What's to find out? When a man and a woman get married, they learn how to please their partner, what they like, etc., and are free to explore it, safe in their love for each other. The equipment is basically the same, with only minor variations.

[Diamond]

We use birth control reponsibly. I realize that pregnancy is still a small possiblity. If that happened, I would change my entire life and devote it to that child.

What do you mean by "birth control"? If any of your co-fornicators use abortifacient drugs for that purpose then you may be participating in the creation of a human being who is then killed by those humanticides. Assuming for the sake of argument that you may not mind the death of such a very young child of yours, what would you do if one of your co-fornicators decided to hire an abortionist to chop up the baby at some time before birth? Isn't that "birth control", too?

Cordially,

[Lazamataz]

There are many forms of trust. One form of trust is trust that a person will be there through the tough times. Once they betray that trust, you cannot put your faith in them any more, even if they should try to come back.

Someone put it very well in another thread: Make sure the person you decide to marry won't bail out too easily. Relationships are a lot of work, and there are inevitable and serious problems. The people who are stellar successes are those who work at making it work well.

[Stone Mountain]

What do you mean by "birth control"? If any of your co-fornicators use abortifacient drugs for that purpose then you may be participating in the creation of a human being who is then killed by those humanticides. Assuming for the sake of argument that you may not mind the death of such a very young child of yours, what would you do if one of your co-fornicators decided to hire an abortionist to chop up the baby at some time before birth? Isn't that "birth control", too? Cordially,

My favorite part of your post is when you closed it with "Cordially" as if you are being cordial in any way. But I will answer your question on the chance that you are actually interested in the answer. I use condoms. My partners have generally been on the pill. I don't know if you consider the pill an abortifacient drug, but I don't. I'll be glad to discuss this with you further if you would be kind enough to treat me with the same kind of respect that I am treating you with.