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To: FL_engineer
You show a curve that is expanding logarithmically. At what point do you think it will really level off? We know the number of deaths cannot continue to double until the world's population is eliminated.
66 posted on 06/16/2003 5:49:07 AM PDT by TaxRelief
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To: FL_engineer; All
Re censorship in China about SARS, see my #34 above.

How outrageous that WHO and CDC are not commenting on this.

This clamping down on the free excahnge of news and opinions on SARS is aiding the spread of SARS.

The "Global Public Health Intelligence Network" (GPHIN) depends on the free flow of info.

Software designed for it mines the internet for SARS and other bits of info.

Guess whose baby it is?

WHO and Health Canada!

The United Nations shoud strongly condemm the effforts by China to stop SARS thoughts, stats and opinions.

The very country who exported SARS to kill the rest of the world is still a roadblock to stopping the spread of SARS.

Shame on China, and shame on CDC and WHO for not protesting!

Any figures that China and WHO and CDC are using are corrupt.

History will record this censorship as a crucial mistake.
67 posted on 06/16/2003 8:19:40 AM PDT by Betty Jo
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To: TaxRelief; FL_engineer; per loin; Dog Gone; Judith Anne
_Jim has been around long enough to know the basic facts about SARS, but he either chooses to ignore them or they have simply not sunk in. He could be a valuable contributor, but most of the time he chooses to simply heap scorn and ridicule. This does nothing but shut down conversation.

Such behavior is very hard to defend.

Personally, I would appreciate an informed and regular poster who knows the facts about SARS, but is convinced that it is well under control and poses little future risk. I would very much like to hear reasoned arguments supporting this position.

MANY factors will affect how widespread and dangerous SARS actually becomes. Right now we simply do not know. China is transparently lying, but it still seems that we have hit the predicted summer lull. We will not know what to expect until we see what happens in the next cold/flu season.

SARS is NOT certain to become one of the major scourges of mankind. Cholera, for instance, is no real threat except in certain well understood circumstances. Neither is tuberculosis, or many other quite deadly diseases. _Jim (or others) could choose to focus on any number of issues as a productive way to challenge the pandemic potential of SARS.

Since it seems to be too late to put SARS back in the box, these issues will eventually come to the fore. For instance:
> How seasonal is SARS, and why?
> If SARS is seasonal, what should governments be doing NOW to prepare for the next cold/flu season?
> Is there a genetic element to SARS resistance?
> Is immunity permanent?
> Does it have an animal reservoir?
> How does it spread?
> When are people first contagious?
> When does contagion end?
> How do we better protect hospital staff?
> Do we believe China/Taiwan? Do we even believe Canada?
> For that matter, do we even believe the U.S.?
> How badly injured are the survivors?

Some posters are familiar with the math of pandemics. TaxRelief, per loin, and Fl_Engineer are regular posters who come immediately to mind, and we have many others as well. I personally know of some occassional SARS posters with PhD's in relevant areas. Personally, I would find a discussion of the math quite interesting. Although we still do not have enough publicly available info to have confidence in the assumptions used, certain circumstances would lead to a self-limiting outbreak and these can be mathematically modeled.
68 posted on 06/16/2003 9:04:24 AM PDT by EternalHope (Boycott everything French forever.)
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