Posted on 06/12/2003 2:29:39 PM PDT by Marianne
M. Savage:...Camille Paglia was not really that nice to this book, where she said Gail Sheehy’s gushy new book, Hillary’s Choice, contains enough negatives to prove why Hillary has no business meddling in electoral politics. And then she goes on to confirm that Gail Sheehy confirms that indeed Hillary was the hardliner who refused to settle with Paula Jones.
Sheehy claims it was Hillary who pushed the president into bombing Kosovo. And she also implies that, according to this new book Hillary’s Choice, it was Hillary Clinton who leaned on Janet Reno to order the disastrous assault at Waco. Therefore, Gail Sheehy, welcome to the Savage Nation. . . .
G. Sheehy: Hillary did persuade Bill Clinton to bomb in Kosovo, and what she said to him in phone calls over 48 hours from North Africa in March of ‘99: "You can’t let this ethnic cleansing go on at the end of the century that has seen the Holocaust."
M. Savage: But it turns out that was false because the original estimates of 100,000 were now reduced to 10,000 by the State Department, and yet the UN inspection team has only found 2,200 bodies. So this could turn out to be the greatest disaster of her, of her entire life.
G. Sheehy: Well, I don’t know about that. But we’re getting way, way far away from any...
M. Savage: Well, wait a minute, we’re not far away from the UN, which went to the ground, looked for the bodies, and found 2,200 dead bodies. This was one of the greatest war crimes of our age according to many international people who know that, including liberal democrats.
G. Sheehy: Well, I really don’t know what, whether, the facts have all come out. And I don’t think we will know for a while. It’s one of those ongoing stories...
M. Savage: No, it’s not. Here, wait a minute, before we go on, we can’t just say the facts don’t exist. The UN spent a lot of time looking for the mass graves. They said there were only about 2,200 bodies that were found. They don’t even know how many of those are Serbian bodies. And then just last week the State Department revised downward their 100,000 figure of dead Kosovar Albanians to 10,000 even though the UN only said 2,200. This is turning out... and I don’t think you, I don’t think you want to defend Hillary on this.
G. Sheehy: [Unintelligible] ... a small number. In any case,...
M. Savage: But does that, wait, does that justify bombing an entire nation into the stone age?
G. Sheehy: Wait, wait. We, they didn’t, they didn’t bomb it into the stone age...
M. Savage: There are no bridges left on the Danube River. The people have no heating oil; they have no food.
G. Sheehy: I’m not going to sit here and debate with you the rightness and the wrongness of the bombing in Kosovo. All I’m telling you is what I know. That’s all I can tell you.
M. Savage: But what you don’t know is that there is more to it than what you do know.
G. Sheehy: Well, Hillary and you and the American public did not know any of this at that time...
M. Savage: Yes, we did. I beg... Excuse, excuse me, Gail Sheehy, many Jewish people who had been sheltered by the Serbian people were on this program and were outraged that we were killing our allies who rescued our airmen in World War II. We got people on who were former prosecutors at Nuernberg against Hitler, on this program, liberal Democrats, going back to FDR, who were outraged at what the Clintons had done with our airplanes, giving them to NATO. So don’t say that we didn’t know. We knew it even then.
G. Sheehy: No, we didn’t know. They...
M. Savage: How can you tell us we didn’t know, when we debated it here?
G. Sheehy: Well, they didn’t have observers; they didn’t even have UN observers at that point...
M. Savage: So how did they make up a hundred thousand?
G. Sheehy: Conditions were so severe they couldn’t even keep... they pulled out the UN observers -- if you remember.
M. Savage: So how did they raise it to a hundred thousand if they didn’t know?
G. Sheehy: I don’t know. That’s the reporting that we had at that time.
M. Savage: In other words, it was propaganda that Hillary Clinton used. It was propaganda that Hillary Clinton used in order to justify the unjustifiable.
G. Sheehy: They didn’t know any better than you knew.
M. Savage: Oh, they didn’t know any better than I did, and they’re the president and his wife. So what does that say about them?
G. Sheehy: Well, what did they know about the Los Alamos spying?
M. Savage: What did they know about it? Aren’t they supposed to know about it? What the hell are they doing there?
G. Sheehy: There’s a lot of agencies, and they often don’t do their job, do they? Whether it’s the FBI or the CIA, they often don’t do their job very well.
M. Savage: Well, it sounds like you’re apologizing for every one of their mistakes.
G. Sheehy: I’m not apologizing for any of their mistakes. I’m saying to you that at the time, in March ‘99, this whole country was in a dilemna about what to do about what appeared to be a massive, minor holocaust in Kosovo.
M. Savage: Wait a minute. What do you mean "it appeared to be"? It was a complete fabrication of the KLA. It was propaganda pure and simple.
G. Sheehy: It wasn’t a complete fabrication. 10,000 people...
M. Savage: No, Mam. It was not 10,000. I just told you they only found 2,200 bodies...
G. Sheehy: But you said 10,000...
M. Savage: No, I said the State Department revised their figure from 100,000 down to 10,000, when the UN says there were only 2,200. The State Department is notorious for lying.
G. Sheehy: Alright, so there are two figures there, the 2,200 and the 10,000. That’s why the... I don’t know that the...
M. Savage: So wait a minute. Again, I don’t want to turn the whole show into that...
G. Sheehy: This is not about Hillary’s Choice. This is about your problem with Kosovo. So you can argue about...
M. Savage: No, No, but you’re...
G. Sheehy: I don’t know anything about Kosovo. Let me just put that right out there.
M. Savage: Alright, I know a lot about Kosovo...
G. Sheehy: ...Hillary convinced the president to bomb, and that’s my contribution.
M. Savage: OK.
G. Sheehy: Don’t you want to talk about the book?
M. Savage: Before we go on, I want to say this. In your book you say it was Hillary who pushed the president into bombing Kosovo, correct?
G. Sheehy: I said she convinced him to do it.
M. Savage: OK, but if it turns out that she was doing it based upon wrong information, what would that make of her in your mind?
G. Sheehy: Well, I don’t have any... I’m not going to speculate. I don’t know that you’ll ever find out what information she or the president had. Nobody ever comes up with those things. I’m not going to speculate on that.
M. Savage: But you’re speculating on the fact that Hillary did it based on good information.
G. Sheehy: I’m going to tell you this: Hillary Clinton, for her many flaws and foibles, which every human being has, is a person who, who is honest and who acts on her convictions. In this case, I believe that her conviction was that this was a massive ethnic-cleansing campaign that was killing innocent...
M. Savage: But what if it turns out it was all propaganda?
G. Sheehy: She, I don’t believe that she would have done it. Why would she want to risk the presidency doing something based on propaganda?
M. Savage: Well, yeah, let me ask you this. Have there been no other people in history who have done things, either mistakenly or on purpose, for other reasons than they appear to be doing them for?
G. Sheehy: Look, I’m not going to speculate on this. It’s just lunacy. We don’t know any more, you don’t know any more and...
M. Savage: Excuse me, you keep putting words in my mouth. I know an awful lot about Kosovo. You may know nothing about Kosovo.
G. Sheehy: ...You can’t get anything out of me because I don’t know anything more...
M. Savage: Alright, so you don’t know anything about Kosovo. I know a lot about Kosovo...
G. Sheehy: That’s great. Then you should lecture on Kosovo...
M. Savage: I have done many lectures on Kosovo. But I’m asking you how it is that Hillary Clinton could take a figure like 100,000 people, push the president into bombing Kosovo, and get away with it? Isn’t there some kind of connection between that and a massive government-media-complex cover-up? Why don’t they go there and investigate it like the UN has?
G. Sheehy: Look, they thought, like many people thought at the time, that this could not go on at the end of the century that had seen the Holocaust. That...
M. Savage: But there was no holocaust.
G. Sheehy: ...the rape of women and children because they were of a certain ethnic background...
M. Savage: OK, how about the Serbs being killed now? How about the Serbs being killed now by the Kosovar Albanians?
G. Sheehy: I don’t want to talk about this any more. If you want to talk about Hillary’s Choice, we can continue the conversation...
M. Savage: But what about the holocaust against the Serbs right now?
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And here I didn't even think Ron Brown was over there yet. Oh well...
Acutally I guess Ron died before that, which raises the question, "Just who was over there from Arkansas or our government?"
Couldn't have been Vince. He was already taken care of. Couldn't have been Gerry Parks. Hmmm, who could it have been...
Co-Presidents are so damned hard to read sometimes!
We wish
It does bring up something I've said.
If hillary is serious about running for president she will divorce Bill.
Too many people will realize that Bill could be co-president if she is elected.
Bill and hill may be 'estranged' at this time but that could change in a moment. I don't think she could be elected with that possibility hanging over her.
I think I'm going to the book store in OP mall w/ a bottle of white out and see if they have a nice poster of her book that I can sneakily change the title from LIVING to LYING.
Out of the blue, if Clinton claims the CIA map of Belgrade showed a vacant lot where the (bombed)Chinese Embassy was, why on earth would they intentionally bomb a vacant lot?
Heretic! ;-)
Had not given that a thought. You may be correct.
Although with hillary's poor memory, bill need not worry. :)
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