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Quietly, State Dept. Turns Over American Islands to Russia, Others
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| May 8, 2000
| Stephan Archer
Posted on 06/12/2003 9:16:57 AM PDT by Beck_isright
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To: cake_crumb
Please this is no place for facts. It is time for HYSTERIA.
After all you saw this was from NewsMax didn't you?
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posted on
06/12/2003 2:08:08 PM PDT
by
justshutupandtakeit
(RATS will use any means to denigrate George Bush's Victory.)
To: Stingray51
"You state that the idea that there is a dispute with Russia has been discredited and debunked, as if there was no such island and as if there has never been an American claim to it."
That's a silly thing to say. There is no dispute with Russia over the islands (Wrangel, Wrangell), but that hardly means that the islands don't exist.
It is the article, as well as your argument, that has been debunked, not the existence of the islands.
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posted on
06/12/2003 2:16:32 PM PDT
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Southack
You say there is no dispute with Russia. The article's point is that there should be. Personally, I think it is pretty clear that Wrangel Island was in fact part of the US at one time but that we have much bigger fish to fry at the moment. However, that does not make the article's contention with regard to Wrangel Island bogus or debunked or discredited or whatever other derisive terms you use to describe opinions that differ from yours.
To: Southack
The City of Wrangell, Alaska, and Wrangel Island are not the same thing.
44
posted on
06/12/2003 4:06:26 PM PDT
by
Campion
To: Campion
No kidding...
45
posted on
06/12/2003 8:02:28 PM PDT
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Stingray51
Did you see the map in post #37?
46
posted on
06/12/2003 8:03:16 PM PDT
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Stingray51
"However, that does not make the article's contention with regard to Wrangel Island bogus or debunked or discredited or whatever other derisive terms you use..."
Did you not even read the *TITLE* to this thread (and to the debunked NewsMax article)??!!
"Quietly, State Dept. Turns Over American Islands to Russia, Others"
Did you miss the line in the article wherein NewsMax claims "But if anyone desired to visit Wrangell Island, they would be greeted not by the Stars and Stripes waving proudly in the brisk air but by a Russian military tower."
Look kid, that is the epitome of being DISCREDITED!
There is no Russian military tower on Wrangell Island, and I even posted the U.S. Chamber of Commerce web page (above, this thread) for Wrangell Island to illustrate that point.
Talk about being discredited...
47
posted on
06/12/2003 8:08:53 PM PDT
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Beck_isright
After reading this post, I wrote to my Senator and I just got the response today.
He writes:
Dear xxxx,
Thanks for taking the time to contact me me with your concerns regarding claims that the United States Department of State is giving Unites States land to Russia.
{snip formalities}
I understand your concern for the integrity of United States territory. I have contacted the Department of State regarding this matter and have been assured that the claims from the organization State Department Watch and its chairman, Carl Olson, are false. In addition, I am forwarding your concerns to the Department of State so that they may address this issue more fully.
48
posted on
07/14/2003 3:51:44 PM PDT
by
visualops
(The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth.)
To: Beck_isright; All
![](http://bulldogbulletin.lhhosting.com/images/USA-09.gif)
Since little girly Beck_isright posted his/her whining opus about fleeing Free Republic today, I've decided to re-humiliate him/her by bumping this thread wherein I thrashed his tinfoil nonsense about the U.S. ceding territory.
BUMP!
49
posted on
03/21/2004 1:34:18 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Beck_isright
50
posted on
03/21/2004 1:35:34 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Southack
You are indeed THE MAN!
51
posted on
03/21/2004 1:43:04 PM PST
by
ServesURight
(FReecerely Yours,)
To: Beck_isright
Gee, you would think the US State Department worked for us to promote the United States interests. I imagine in the next 10 years, they won't even need to hide the fact that they really have the UNs interests at heart if the demonRats get their way.
52
posted on
03/21/2004 2:31:58 PM PST
by
Wolfhound777
(It's not our job to forgive them. Only God can do that. Our job is to arrange the meeting--N.S)
To: Wolfhound777
c#9
53
posted on
03/21/2004 9:57:08 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Southack
LOL.......I am left speechless ....it is RARE to see anyone so completely EVISCERATED in a debate, either online or off.
I think it's safe to say that "Beck isright" is wrong on this one. hehe I just hope that by bumping this thread this isn't going to cause others who don't take time to read the whole thing to believe a lie. Oh well, I think the risk is worth it.
To: Beck_isright
"As I get more news on this, I shall post it." - Beck_isright
I doubt it.
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posted on
03/22/2004 1:00:57 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Beck_isright
I found
this online.
It's the text of the 1991 agreement with the Soviet Union. In it, Senator Helms states clearly that the US had not (in 1991) relinquished its claim to the 5 Arctic Islands - Bennett, Henrietta, Jeannette, Wrangel and Herald Island. I strongly recommed anyone posting on this thread read Jesse Helms' remarks.
Despite the hysterical ranting of certain Bushbots on this thread, this appears to be a legitimate issue.
To: Right Wing Professor
"Despite the hysterical ranting of certain Bushbots on this thread, this appears to be a legitimate issue."
Nonsense. The Newsmax and Worldnetdaily article(s) clearly identify Wrangell island as having Alaskan eskimoes on them who are now "Russian" citizens.
That's totally bogus no matter HOW you play it. If you pretend that Newsmax and Worldnetdaily simply misspelled the name "Wrangel" by writing "Wrangell", then you're still left to explain the eskimoes. There are any Alaskan eskimoes on the "Wrangel" rock outcropping (a former guano island, with treat-limited soveriegnty at best).
If you actually accept that they meant "Wrangell", then you've got to explain why I can still post Wrangell's chamber of commerce web site and why U.S. flights are still going there daily.
57
posted on
03/22/2004 1:31:40 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Right Wing Professor
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From your article:
"Americans Become Russians
Olson notes that the Census Bureau, with the approval of the State Dept., has just stripped Americans of their citizenship. Consider the inhabitants of Wrangell Island, the largest of eight disputed islands five lying in the Arctic Ocean and three in the Bering Sea.
Geographically speaking, the islands inhabitants would also be citizens of the state of Alaska since no other American state comes even close to the proximity of the islands.
But if anyone desired to visit Wrangell Island, they would be greeted not by the Stars and Stripes waving proudly in the brisk air but by a Russian military tower."
58
posted on
03/22/2004 1:34:38 PM PST
by
Southack
(Media bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
To: Southack
It's quite clear which Wrangel Island the articles are referring to, and it has nothing to do with Wrangell, Alaska. Wrangell is a frequent variant of the explorer's name (as in the Wrangell Mountains, for example). You can find both spellings used. John Muir
used the two-l spelling.
You, on the other hand, referred to this 2925 sq. mile island as a 'large rock outcropping'; you referred to the article as 'an old Guanno Islands wives tale' (Those double consonants are a bear, aren't they!) .
By the way, here's a sketch, drawn by John Muir, of the American flag flying over Wrangel Island, north of the Bering Strait.
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To: Southack
There are any Alaskan eskimoes on the "Wrangel" rock outcropping (a former guano island, with treat-limited soveriegnty at best).Wrangel Island is 2925 sq. miles in area. It is not a guano island; in fact it's snow- and ice-covered.
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