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GRAY DAVIS RECALL A HOAX? ALERT (?!?) [No, not a hoax]
Liberty Belles email

Posted on 06/12/2003 12:02:29 AM PDT by AnnaZ

 
 
Greetings Liberty Belles and Beaux!

Many of you are probably aware of the campaign to recall Governor Gray Davis.  If the people decide they are not pleased with the performance of a politician, they have a legal right to petition for his removal from office.  If the petition gathers enough signatures and the politician is recalled, an election is held to determine who will take his place in office.

The Recall Gray Davis campaign has touted its huge success claiming approximately 20,000 signatures per day.  There is one problem, however.

As of this writing, the petitions on
www.recallgraydavis.com and www.davisrecall.com contain language that negates the purpose of the petition.  Specifically, the second to last paragraph states:

"The answer of the officer to be recalled is as follows:  IF YOU SIGN THIS PETITION IT MAY LEAD TO A SPECIAL ELECTION THIS SUMMER COSTING US TAXPAYERS AN ADDITIONAL $20-40 MILLION.  Last November, almost 8,000,000 Californians went to the polls.  They voted to elect Governor Davis to another term.  Just days after the Governor's inauguration in January, however, a handful of rightwing politicians are attempting to overturn the voters' decision.  They couldn't beat him fair and square, so now they're trying another trick to remove him from office.  This effort is being led by the former Chairman of the State Republican Party, who was censured by his own party.  We should not waste scarce taxpayers' dollars on sour grapes.  The time for the partisanship and campaigning is past.  It's time for both parties to work together on our State's problems.  Moreover, the allegations leveled against the Governor are false.  As governor, Davis has vetoed almost $9 BILLION in spending.  California, along with 37 other states, is facing a budget deficit due to the bad national economy.  The Bush Administration has announced the federal deficit this year will be the biggest in history.  $304 BILLION.  In these difficult and dangerous times, LET'S WORK TOGETHER, not be diverted by partisan mischief. /s/ Gray Davis Governor Gray Davis 9911 W. Pico Boulevard, Suite 980 Los Angeles, CA  90035."

We are currently researching this issue to find out whether or not there is a
legitimate recall campaign and to determine who is behind this fraudulent
campaign.  We will keep you posted as events develop.

In the meantime, read all petitions carefully, and do not submit your personal
information to this fraudulent campaign.

In Freedom,

Jennifer and Joe

P.S.  Thanks, Gene C!

Liberty Belles
http://www.libertybelles.org


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To: NormsRevenge
The issue certainly was rapidly triaged, gutted, resembled and left for all to marvel anyone who might by chance stumble over it in the future.
Like an "Exhibit A" of the beauty of FR. And again, certainly an educational experience on a number of levels.
 
I'm torn on the recall thing. As I stated earlier -- it's their mess -- 'though I know they're incapable of cleaning it. This state needs serious help but I doubt anyone has the guts to do what it takes to fix it, because the remedy is neither media-friendly or politically palatable.
 
:-|
 
(The LATimes would have to be conquered first... ;^)

61 posted on 06/12/2003 11:59:31 AM PDT by AnnaZ (unspunwithannaz.blogspot.com... "It is UNSPUN and it is Unspun, but it is not unspun." -- unspun)
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To: AnnaZ
I take a slightly different view about conquering the media.. I would prefer to humble , embarass as needed, and otherwise humiliate them with displays of their nefarious works and their won duplicity in the messes we all to often find this state govt in.

RE: the Recall.. Done Deal!

Best Option.. One Republican candidate runs.. best person for the job?

Tom McClintock

RE: FR - There ain't no better place to start some fires on the plains of politicoland then here..

The power of the internet, Greeley and Mencken would have killed for this tool to report the news and events.

What better way to share and query thoughts inside the heads of real people and not those under the influence of the camera lens and the warp and distortion effect inherent with it?

TV is and has been the way to communicate "effectively" to convey ideas, but often lack true detail of events.

We get the inside scoop here and there and we share it, unlike many reporting the news.

Speaking if the LA Times .. uhh. Let's not, They make me nauseous with the biased vitriol they put out.

There rhetoric alert level is at Red. ;-) THis illustrates the point that the media is feeling heat by being called to task for its complicity in keeping Davi$ in place and supporting boatloads of demRats.

We have the jayson Blair X factor working here as well. The LA Times is no Love Child to this state and never has been. :-)

62 posted on 06/12/2003 12:16:39 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi..Support FRee Republic..DemRats fear an informed populace..Spread the word;They're Done!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
RE: the Recall.. Done Deal! Best Option.. One Republican candidate runs.. best person for the job? Tom McClintock

I agree completely. The recall will happen. The only question is whether it will be in a fall special election or the March 2004 primary. And it's looking increasingly likely that enough signatures will be turned in by early July to force the fall election.

I would love it if the Republican Party were to coalesce around Tom McClintock. He'd make a marvelous Governor, and he's the only potential candidate in whom I have a high level of confidence that he could actually fix California's fiscal problems (and with no tax hikes!).

Unfortunately I doubt that the Republicans will rally around Tom. Issa is almost certain to run, since he's putting so much of his own money into the recall drive. Bill Simon is panting to run. Arnold Schwarzenegger is likely to run. Richard Riordan may run. Etc., etc.

Frankly, if I had to make a bet at this time, I'd bet that the Democrats will have greater discipline than the Republicans in limiting their prominent candidates. And especially since California is still a heavily-Democratic state, the odds are that Davis will be replaced by another Democrat.

It's worth the risk. Even most of the potential Democratic replacements would be major improvements over Davis (which just proves how horrible a governor Davis has been). And in any case it will be an object lesson for politicians in this state that the wrath of the people cannot be ignored.

There's the old story about two guys who see a bear coming after them in the forest. One guy starts to run away. The other guy calls after him, "It's hopeless to flee. You can't outrun the bear." The other guy calls over his shoulder, "I don't have to outrun the bear, I just have to outrun you." That has been Gray Davis' modus operandi his entire career, as he laborously climbed the political ladder to his present perch. As corrupt and incompetent and personality-challenged as he is, Davis has been blessed with Democratic and Republican opponents he could outrun (most recently Bill Simon). But this time the recall is focussed solely on Davis; there's no one along side him who he can simply outrun. Davis is about to become bear-food.

63 posted on 06/12/2003 1:11:54 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: AnnaZ
Thanks, Anna!

It appears that this is the real petition. This paragraph, ,I've been told' is Davis' rebuttal to the petiiiton itself.

What fooled many, including me, was that it is written in the third person and seems to have been composed by a third grader.
64 posted on 06/12/2003 1:21:31 PM PDT by gc4nra
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To: AnnaZ
Thanks, Anna!

It appears that this is the real petition. This paragraph, ,I've been told' is Davis' rebuttal to the petiiiton itself.

What fooled many, including me, was that it is written in the third person and seems to have been composed by a third grader.
65 posted on 06/12/2003 1:21:33 PM PDT by gc4nra
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To: dpwiener
You make good arguments.. I must admit. But..

The recall vote tote is going to get the necessasy level of signatures by mid-July that includes a lot of additional signatures gathered to compensate for any disqualified signatures that are checked for authenticity,etc.

If the Secy of State wants to drag out the verification process for 6 months, so be it.. all the better,, that way Gray gets whipped or Cruz gets whipped as the budget melts down and the state with it.

I don't see the election happening next spring personally. It is a foregone that it will occur. Why postpone the inevitable?

And quite frankly, its California's last best shot of turning this state around.. sad to say.

We need Tom in the recall winner's circle and We need to toss demRats out of Stinkymento in 2004.

66 posted on 06/12/2003 3:13:13 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi..Support FRee Republic..DemRats fear an informed populace..Spread the word;They're Done!!!)
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To: NormsRevenge
The recall vote tote is going to get the necessasy level of signatures by mid-July that includes a lot of additional signatures gathered to compensate for any disqualified signatures that are checked for authenticity,etc.

Not as many extra signatures will be needed as for normal initiatives or referenda. With a normal initiative you turn in all the signatures at one time, so you have to make absolutely certain that there is an ample margin to cover however many are disqualified. If you come up a 100 short out of 900,000, you are sh!t out of luck.

But with a recall measure, the signatures can be turned in on a continuous basis. The County Registrars are supposed to constantly be validating them, and the Secretary of State must report the total number of validated signatures on a monthly basis.

Not only does this give the circulators a much more accurate picture of their validity rate and the number of remaining signatures they need, but it eliminates the requirement for huge margins. For example, if the recall proponents know that they already have 800,000 valid signatures (out of perhaps 900,000 raw ones turned in), then they only have to submit another 115,000 raw signatures to make it over the top. And if they come up slightly short, they just submit a few more, assuming there is any time left.

In the case of the Davis recall, the goal is to finish by the 4th of July, almost two months before the September 2nd drop-dead date. If it takes them till the 8th of July, oh well. And if they're still a few short, they just keep submitting more signatures.

That's one of the reasons that it is an absolute certainty that this recall is going to make it onto the ballot.

67 posted on 06/12/2003 5:57:43 PM PDT by dpwiener
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To: AnnaZ
I downloaded mine the first day it was available. It has that same paragraph. The anti-recall group isn't that with it to have hacked it the first day.
68 posted on 06/12/2003 6:05:30 PM PDT by reformed_dem (For office use only)
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To: dpwiener
I learn more every day on this forum. Thanks :-)

Checkout www.drafttom.com ,, It has a write-up on Tom's biography, his background. Let me know what you think.

69 posted on 06/12/2003 6:17:52 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi..Support FRee Republic..DemRats fear an informed populace..Spread the word;They're Done!!!)
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To: AnnaZ; All
Can anyone tell me if it is a bad thing to recomend that a person all petitions for this recall? In case they might accidently sign a false or misrepresented one? I have already sent mine in but wonder if this might be good advice.
70 posted on 06/12/2003 8:12:31 PM PDT by Not now, Not ever! (10101100)
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To: AnnaZ
Gimme a break you guys!!

It's said this from the very beginning, I downloaded the petition about an hour after it was first approved and posted online. It's a message from Red Davis that they're required to insert. Of course it's going to be contradictory if it's the governor making his case as to why he shouldn't be recalled!

KEEP SIGNING THE PETITIONS! THEY'RE NOT BOGUS! SEND THEM TO TED COSTA!! TOTAL RECALL!!!
71 posted on 06/18/2003 10:52:11 AM PDT by Jonez712 (TOTAL RECALL!!)
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