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The Hillary Divide by Andrew Sullivan
The Sunday Times | June 7, 2003 | Andrew Sullivan

Posted on 06/08/2003 8:49:55 AM PDT by COUNTrecount

The Hillary Divide

The Gulf in American Politics

It didn't even take a book. It merely took a tiny sliver of a book leak to send Washington into a tailspin of recriminations, accusations and spin. Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton's memoirs - already described as "memeroids" by one of her more tenacious enemies - aren't due to be released until tomorrow. But someone somewhere - presumably someone with an axe to grind - leaked some critical details to the Associated Press, and all hell broke loose. It tells you all that you really need to know about the former president's wife that even now, even after September 11, even after two and a half years of a Bush presidency, people still care about HRC. She polarizes America in ways not seen since Nixon. And her obvious intent to make it back to the White House in her own right has the potential to turn America's already fractious polity into something bordering on civil war.

This time, the fuse was the leaked spin that the former First Lady only found out about her husband's adultery with Monica Lewinsky the day before Clinton's civil deposition. Until then, we are asked to believe, she had no idea that her husband would ever have contemplated an illicit sexual liaison with a young intern. The very idea was a product of the "vast right-wing conspiracy" for which she blamed almost every failing of her husband's presidency. "For me, the Lewinsky imbroglio seemed like just another vicious scandal manufactured by political opponents," she writes. And then that dreadful morning, she found out the awful truth: Gulping for air, I started crying and yelling at him, 'What do you mean? What are you saying? Why did you lie to me?' I was furious and getting more so by the second. He just stood there saying over and over again, 'I'm sorry. I'm so sorry. I was trying to protect you and Chelsea.' In almost any other instance of a spouse being told of her husband's adultery, there would be nothing but sympathy for the wife, and certainly no impulse to question her veracity or sincerity. But not with HRC. Almost as soon as the leak came over the wires, there was a chorus of scepticism. "What Did She Know and When Did She Know It?" headlined the Washington Post's Lloyd Grove. He referred to an account already written by another Washington Post journalist, Peter Baker, "The Breach." In that book, Baker tells another story: that the news of Clinton's infidelity had been broken to HRC two days previously by Clinton's lawyer, David Kendall: "And so it fell to him at that critical moment to play emissary from husband to wife, to disclose the most awful secret of any marriage," Baker wrote on Page 24. "Something obviously had gone on between the president and Lewinsky, Kendall had told the first lady in his soft, understated way. The president was going to have to tell the grand jury about it. Only after Kendall laid the foundation did Clinton speak directly to his wife." Kendall now denies telling the first lady as such - but Baker merely says that Kendall had said "something obviously had gone on" in a "soft, understated way." The next day, August 14, the New York Times reported in a front-page headline that "President Weighs Admitting He Had Sexual Contacts." Did Hillary read the paper that day? Even if you buy the notion that HRC tried as hard as she could to disbelieve the near-universal consensus that her husband had fooled around with a twenty-one-year-old, it's hard to credit that on the morning of August 15, she was that shocked and dumb-founded. Either her powers of denial were even deeper than her husband's powers of deception, or she is simply lying in the book.

And then there's court-stenographer Sidney Blumenthal's account of the same period of time, in his just published, "The Clinton Wars." Blumenthal is a Hillary-crony, a man who treats the Clintons the way Vatican functionaries treat the Pope. But Blumenthal hardly paints a picture of a woman reeling from a personal betrayal. Telephoning Hillary from Italy immediately after she allegedly received the news, Blumenthal doesn't paint a picture of a wife recovering from sudden and unexpected news of inconceivable adultery. He paints a picture of a supremely controlled woman, making cool political calculations: I said that whatever 'issues' anyone had, and hers was worse than anyone's, we had to think about the politics. That was her reasoning as well. She said that the President would be 'embarrassed,' but that was for him to deal with. And that was all she would say about it. Even in a private conversation with a friend, she maintained her dignity. It was my intention to help her do that, and through the next two days we kept in constant contact. Her only remark, according to Blumenthal, was that the president would be embarrassed? And she wasn't? The weirdnesses continue after the president's deposition and immediate speech to the nation explaining his conduct. In her book, Senator Clinton says she was furious and could barely speak to her husband. According to the Associated Press, the 600-page tome "describes in bitter terms the months of chill between them afterward, never more painful than when they went to Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts for a vacation following his testimony. 'Buddy, the dog, came along to keep Bill company,' she writes. 'He was the only member of our family who was still willing to.' While on the island, she felt 'nothing but profound sadness, disappointment and unresolved anger. I could barely speak to Bill, and when I did, it was a tirade.'"

Hmmm. This is what her closest confidant, Sidney Blumenthal, wrote about the night of the television speech: About ten minutes after [the speech] ended, my hotel phone rang: it was the president, asking what my reaction was. I told him it was all right. Hillary asked me what I thought. I told her the same... They handed the phone to James Carville and Mark Penn ... I could hear the president and Hillary bantering in the background ... They were still working as a team. So was she furious, enraged, disappointed, shocked? Or was she colluding with her husband to spin the politics of his reluctant confession? To tell the truth, I don't know anyone who believes the account Hillary has served up in her book. Her response is the kind of response you'd get from, say, Laura Bush, if her husband confessed to an adultery after what appears to be a long, happy and monogamous marriage. But, as Dick Morris wrote last week, Bill Clinton had been a serial adulterer for their entire marriage, as everybody with half a brain knows. In 1988, he called me and said that he and Hillary were considering divorce and he had to get away from her for a while. I offered him my house in Key West, Florida. Right before the 60 Minutes show during the 1992 campaign, he called for my advice and I suggested that he admit and apologize for the adultery with Flowers and he said "If I did that, I'd have to find a new place to live." In 1995, reviewing his testimony in the fraud trial of Susan McDougal, he asked me how he should handle his 'relationship' with her. I said: 'If you had sex with her, admit it. Don't perjure yourself. We can always undo the political damage, but we can't undo the legal damage.' He nodded. Hillary always knew that her husband couldn't keep his pants on. She knew that he had had serial affairs. They were so obvious that their joint strategy was - from 1992 on - to coyly concede that their marriage had not been perfect. Perhaps she somehow believed that once he became president, everything would change. But surely, given the past, it wasn't inconceivable that he would continue doing what he had always done. If, then, she was genuinely shocked by his admission in 1998, she was a fool. But better to portray herself as a fool - and as a maligned wife - than to acknowledge the truth: that her political ambitions always outweighed the integrity of her marriage; or that she was completely comfortable with an open marriage as long as it meant she could still ride her husband's coat-tails to political power. Her deal with Bill was a marital version of Gordon Brown's and Tony Blair's Islington pact: one partner would be the front, the other would be an integral part of the project.

With Blair and Brown, this makes a lot of sense. But what middle America cannot quite stomach is the thought that an actual, living, breathing human marriage could be premised on such cynical, cold and political terms. And that's the central and obvious reason for Hillary's current reprise of the dramas of 1998. She knows that if she runs for president, she will have to answer these critical questions about her role in the ethical and legal morasses of the Clinton presidency. Her strategy is to argue that she was a typical wife and he was an incurable philanderer; that she was the wronged party and somehow endured to fight another day on clearer, better terms. What she cannot do is run for president as the partner in an open marriage designed entirely for political ends. Americans simply cannot accept that kind of arrangement in their head of state. Unless she disproves that impression, she is finished.

The trouble, of course, is that the impression is largely true. Even the left-liberal New York Times couldn't disguise this fact in a story this week about the Clintons' still-evolving relationship: "For much of the last two years," The Times reported, "the Clintons have been acting as independent operators. They have a home in Chappaqua, New York, and a home in Washington. Mrs. Clinton spends every weekend in New York, where Mr. Clinton spends most of his time when not traveling. They are much more apt to be seen traveling individually, rather than as a couple. Sylvia Woods, owner of Sylvia's Restaurant, near Mr. Clinton's office in Harlem, said the former president rarely came to her restaurant, though Mrs. Clinton regularly turned up. 'I need to talk to them about that,' Ms. Woods said. 'They need to come in together sometime.' Similarly, in Chappaqua, solo appearances by the two Clintons appear to be the norm. Residents said they often saw Mr. Clinton walking around town with his dog, chatting with neighbors or dining in delis and restaurants. 'I see him quite a bit,' said Kirk Sprenger, who owns a wine shop in Chappaqua. 'He walks through downtown with his dog, stops in at Starbucks for coffee.' Asked if he ever saw the Clintons together, Mr. Sprenger quickly said: 'Never. Oh no, I have never seen them together.'" Of course there's nothing wrong as such with that kind of distant, open marriage. If that's the way the Clintons want to set up their relationship, it's their business. The problem is that America is in many ways a publicly conservative - or at least quietly hypocritical - culture. Americans - especially in the heartland between the two coasts - don't particularly want their president as an exemplar of a transparently post-modern marriage. For a female leader especially, let alone one attempting to become the first woman president of the United States, having a traditional family life is an essential component of her political viability. Hillary knows this; and yet she also knows that that isn't anywhere near a description of her unique deal with her husband/partner/colleague. So once again, she's forced into the kind of lie that undercuts her obvious talents as a political operator. Many Americans will simply concur with Camille Paglia who, contacted by Newsday to give her own predictions about the book and its reception, simply said, "Anyone who stays married to an infantile, drooling, serial groper deserves what she gets."

At the same time, you'd be a fool to discount Hillary's ambition or skill. If she were to jump into the current Democratic race for the White House she would be an instant favorite. Her post-White House career has been shrewd and determined. She ran a near flawless campaign for the U.S. Senate, doing far better in up-state New York than anyone predicted. Once she got to the Senate, she focussed on winning friends, raising prodigious amounts of money for her colleagues (thus increasing her clout over them), and moving to the political center by backing welfare reform, and supporting president Bush on the war against Saddam Hussein. She remains a huge favorite among those Democratic activists who raise money, knock on doors and vote in primaries. Meanwhile, she has kept her own man, Terry McAuliffe, at the head of the Democratic National Committee. It's widely believed that she would be quite happy to see George W. Bush win a second term so that she can run against an unknown successor in 2008. By then, she hopes, the Clinton Wars will be well behind her.

But they won't, of course. There's a solid 20 percent of the country who will do anything to prevent her from becoming president. Mention her name in some contexts and what you get is an irrational, near-hysterical tirade. Even now, rumors spread the instant she puts her head above the parapet. She didn't write her own book; she swears like a soldier at the Democratic Senatorial meetings; she holds grudges. Conservatives - especially in her own baby-boomer generation - froth at the mouth when discussing her. They despise her even more than Bill, who could be dismissed, in Bob Dole's words, as a "likable rogue." But whatever else Hillary is, she sure isn't likable. Frosty, arrogant, self-righteous, imperial, convinced of her own rectitude and of the evil that all Republicans represent, for many she incarnates her own generation's insufferable post-Watergate piety. If the deepest divide in American culture is still that between those who protested the Vietnam War and those who fought it, Hillary looms as the symbol of one side and one side only. She can never transcend this. From her early days as a junior prosecutor in Nixon's impeachment to her dismissal of women who "stay home and bake cookies" in the 1990s, she evokes opposition and, yes, hatred, like no-one else in American culture.

Some of this is clearly unfair. She is obviously a highly intelligent, focused, articulate politician. Her Faustian bargain with her philandering husband could be interpreted as a youthful mistake for which she has already paid dearly. At the same time, she clearly does believe not simply that her opponents are mistaken but that they are evil. Her instinctive response to her husband's betrayal and perjury - that it was entirely a fiction created by the right-wing - revealed how she truly sees the world. Her proximity to liberal bigots like Sidney Blumenthal suggests that her political goal is not to unify the country but to punish and humiliate half of it. Her paranoia in this respect should bar her from much higher political office, especially since her return to the White House would open wounds that have only recently begun to heal.

This cultural divide still exists, and may even be deepening. You saw it in the division between "blue" and "red" America - the liberal coasts and the conservative center - in the 2000 election. You see it in the impassioned debates about abortion - where the alienated pro-lifers have turned in a few extreme cases, to murder and terrorism. You see it even in the troubles of the New York Times, where a classic liberal baby-boomer, Howell Raines, so infuriated his colleagues and readers with pious liberal bromides that he was eventually forced to step down. You see it in the fights over gun control or gay rights. The division is not simply political - it's about something deeper, about the very identity of a country, which is still fiercely contested in America in ways not often seen elsewhere. Some are able to overcome this division. George W. Bush hasn't quite - he is still viscerally loathed in some pockets of "blue" America. But his conduct in the war on terror and his personal aversion to the politics of personal demonization have helped smoothe over some of the raw feelings of the Clinton era. But with Hillary, no such unifying could or would take place. She would be a replay of the rancor of the Nixon and Clinton eras. If she ran for office, she would divide an already divided country in ways that would tilt the United States toward poisonous political unrest.

That's why any sane person will hope she remains for ever a distinguished Senator for New York. And why those hopes will never deter her from pursuing her own ambitions at whatever cost to the country she aims one day to rule.

June 7, 2003, Sunday Times. copyright © 2003, 2003 Andrew Sullivan


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Editorial; News/Current Events
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To: blackdog
"I'm tempted to poke out my eyes and puncture my eardrums to escape these people."

LOL! And the closest thing to 'relief' I have seen offered here.

. . .and thanks; just entertaining the option; makes me feel better. .

41 posted on 06/08/2003 9:53:55 AM PDT by cricket
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To: Grampa Dave
I would try to find a country to go to and live without her. I would sell our home, cash in our Iras/401ks and put the money in a Swiss account and leave.

With a give up attitude she may make it. However, there are many of us who will fight in the streets to make sure this never happens. Guaranteed if you have a mind change & support the many groups that will take this issue on before she gets there al will be resolved. By 2006 we better have our ducks in order & let the games begin. \

42 posted on 06/08/2003 9:57:04 AM PDT by Digger
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To: MEG33
Seriously, it wouldn't be hard to accomplish this. Get a writer with no known political opinion and get someone to recommend her to Hillary. Send the writer in as a starry-eyed Hillary groupie. The writer, of course, gets the job.

Now, have the writer tell Hillary that she needs to display "more emotion" in telling the tale of Monica. Submit that god-awful paragraph. Would Hillary recognize that paragraph as lifted from a sweaty romance novel? NO, because she has never read on in her life.

The writer could also have suggested the "leftovers tale" as a way to make hosewives "identify" with her.

I am liking this theory.

January 30, 2001. Ms. Jane Simmons, aspiring novelist, found herself waiting at the gates to the White House. Her invitation had been cryptic, simply a curt statement that her presence had been requested by the President.

Passing through security, she found herself waiting outside the door to the Oval Office. She coldn't understand why she was there, unless the First Lady's interest in books had caused her name to come up. Years ago she had met Mrs. Bush at a librarians convention, but surely that wouldn't have been important enough for her name to be remembered.

The door opened, and she found herself facing the President, leaner and tanner than she had thought him from his television appearances. He was flanked by Mrs. Bush, who smiled at her, and a dark, glowering gentleman who looked vaguely familiar.

"Welcome to the Oval Office, Miss Simmons. Laura speaks highly of your work."

Thanks, you, Mr. President," she stammered.

"Let me introduce you to Mr. George Tenet. He has some information to tell you. Then we have a project we would like your help on...."

43 posted on 06/08/2003 9:59:45 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: nutmeg
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44 posted on 06/08/2003 10:00:27 AM PDT by nutmeg (USA: Land of the Free - Thanks to the Brave)
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To: netmilsmom
May we reserve a small place? My hubby will network all computers so we can get an intranet plan of action!

Y'all have dibs on the loft!

He bought a gun and if someone can teach him (or me) how to use it, we may be useful.

I would consider it a pleasure!


Eaker

45 posted on 06/08/2003 10:00:39 AM PDT by Eaker (AdiĆ³s reality; I want to be a Jack-Ass millionaire!!............;<)
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To: independentmind
"We're going to have to endure an entire presidential campaign with Hillary's frozen smile and practiced lines plastered all over the place."

I don't think endure is the right word. It will be the most entertaining political race in the history of the country. Maybe the history of the world.

True, it will be difficult to keep anything in your stomach, but it will be a load of fun.

46 posted on 06/08/2003 10:04:23 AM PDT by tjg
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To: gcruse
MeMeRoids indeed: she is such a perfect narcissist that when she tries to be profound it always sounds like a joke:

A quote from her in the New York Post: "It was a challenge to forgive Bill . . . [but] if Mandela could forgive, I would try." This is priceless stuff.
47 posted on 06/08/2003 10:04:32 AM PDT by Oldie
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To: Batrachian
I'm trying to come to terms with the inevitably of a Hillary Clinton presidency. I see nothing now that can stop it, short of an unforeseen miracle.

Easy now. It might be close but I believe any election with Queen Bee in it will closley scrutinized. Even the libs I spar with at work dont want her in.

48 posted on 06/08/2003 10:05:26 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: glorgau
Hey! What did Rod the Mod ever do to you??! LOL! Thats a good one!
49 posted on 06/08/2003 10:06:32 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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To: Batrachian
I'm trying to come to terms with the inevitably of a Hillary Clinton presidency. I see nothing now that can stop it, short of an unforeseen miracle.

Hillary will lose all 48 states if/when she runs. When she isn't allowed scripted pre-written blather statements, she speaks like a vicious,uninformed, arrogant idiot.

50 posted on 06/08/2003 10:06:49 AM PDT by T. Jefferson
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To: Digger
Naw, we will defeat her and the other losers in politics on the political front.

Anyone, who says there is not a difference between the two parties is the one who has given up!

GW and 60 senators in 2004 will push her back into the shadows.
51 posted on 06/08/2003 10:07:34 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Evil Old White Devil Californian Grampa for big Al Sharpton and Nader in primaries!)
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To: COUNTrecount; All
Interesting Andrew thinks the 'leak' was a malinged intention vs others in Media hailing it as 'great PR' job. . .that great job of course, being 'suckering the public' to generate sales.

That said, the leak itself; this 'revelation!' has resulted in a nauseating amount of press. . .

. . .but I swear; I think. . .this is not a 'revelation'; not 'news' and that this penned version of Hilary's 'first realization' have already been disclosed. . .by Hillary; or by someone. . .in some format, a few years ago.

Ring a bell or just resonate with ANYone else out here???

52 posted on 06/08/2003 10:08:22 AM PDT by cricket
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To: big ern
I don't keep track of her stories.

They remind me of her spawn on 9/11 wandering around NYC in a daze blaming GW's tax cuts for what had happened.
53 posted on 06/08/2003 10:10:26 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Evil Old White Devil Californian Grampa for big Al Sharpton and Nader in primaries!)
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To: COUNTrecount
20% cannot stand Hillary? I would say its a lot closer to 50%. I hope.
54 posted on 06/08/2003 10:10:30 AM PDT by Uncle Hal
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To: COUNTrecount
The Clintons have a Faustian pact with the Devil as far as their marriage goes. The only thing that matters to them both is power.

I'll bet when the final judgement occurs for them, that it will be sheer lunacy watching them stutter and fumble their way to hell. Picture St.Peter and the Lord asking WJC & HRC all the questions about their inequities while on earth. God I'd love to be privy to this spectacle: WJC: Lord it depends on what the meaning of is is?

Both of these slimes will be violently cast down to the deepest bowels of Hades, no doubt! Imho.

55 posted on 06/08/2003 10:10:37 AM PDT by zbogwan2
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To: Travis McGee
If by some very possible fluke (economic meltdown, etc) Hellary was elected president, especially through skullduggery

I think the witch has a better than 50/50 chance of winning next year for the following reasons:

1) The RAT nominee already has KA, NY, IL, and a few northeastern states locked up. That is about 150 electoral votes right there.

2) Voter fraud. Any state that has one or more large metropolitan areas has a chance to go demoncratic.

3) A lot of women will vote for the "first woman running for president".

4) Sluggish economy (although there are some signs of things picking up), or anything going bad overseas.

A shooting war would break out.

Either that, or enough sheeple would wake up and vote the b!tch out.

But it is still prudent to prepare for the worst.

56 posted on 06/08/2003 10:11:19 AM PDT by Mulder (Live Free or die)
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To: COUNTrecount
I think he doesn't realize how many woman have lost all respect for her. Not just the conservative woman but those that identify themselves as independents and liberals.

She no longer has the possibility of staying with Bill and playing the victim. If she stays with him and runs for President most people in the back of their minds are thinking about 4-8 more years of Bill chasing interns around the White House. 4-8 more years of Hilary defending him or worse a divorce going on within the White House.

If she divorces him,we would be asked to accept a divorced and single woman. We would have 4-8 years of stories about her "homosexuality" or seeing her latest lover on her arm. I don't think that most of America wants that treat.

Consider the garbage that she carries with her starting with her college days.
1. The thesis
2. The hatred of police and military
3. The Arkansas education debacle.
4. The Health Care debacle
5. The lies
6. The temper
7. The husband
8. The liberalness.

Right now, with the situation in the middle east, the two things that a President of the United States could not be is a Liberal Woman or Jewish. Unless of course, you want 4-8 years of increased terrorism and decreased military.
57 posted on 06/08/2003 10:12:36 AM PDT by ODDITHER
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To: COUNTrecount
"...at whatever cost to the country she aims one day to rule.

Interesting choice of words, Mr. Sullivan. She aims to RULE as a dictator, not LEAD as a president. And she's NOT a "distinguished" senator, by the way. pffft!

58 posted on 06/08/2003 10:14:24 AM PDT by arasina (Thank God the White House now has plenty of CLEAN laundry!)
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To: COUNTrecount
"Anyone who stays married to an infantile, drooling, serial groper deserves what she gets."

And what she deserves is the appellation "Doormat." Formerly "First Doormat" now "Senator Doormat" -- but a doormat nevertheless.

America's Fifth Column ... watch PBS documentary JIHAD! In America
http://video.ire.org/10650.ram (Requires RealPlayer)

Who is Steve Emerson?

59 posted on 06/08/2003 10:15:36 AM PDT by JCG
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To: Mulder
1) The RAT nominee already has KA, NY, IL, and a few northeastern states locked up. That is about 150 electoral votes right there.

Surely you mean MA, and not Kansas?? When Kansas goes for the Queen is the day I believe that voter apathy is the same as voter fraud..

60 posted on 06/08/2003 10:17:03 AM PDT by cardinal4 (The Senate Armed Services Comm; the Chinese pipeline into US secrets)
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