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IRAQ: Weapons of Mass Disappearance - (Where are the WMD? Manipulation to go to War? )
time ^ | Sunday, Jun. 01, 2003 | MICHAEL DUFFY

Posted on 06/01/2003 9:01:13 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Weapons of Mass Disappearance
The war in Iraq was based largely on intelligence about banned arms that still haven't been found. Was America's spy craft wrong — or manipulated? 
By MICHAEL DUFFY


LYNSEY ADDARIO/CORBIS FOR TIME
Soldiers of the 25th Infantry rummage through a bombed-out house in Mosel looking for weapons
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Sunday, Jun. 01, 2003
How do take your country to war when it doesn't really want to go? You could subcontract with another nation, fight on the sly and hope no one notices. But if you need a lot of troops to prevail and you would like to remind everyone in the neighborhood who's boss anyway, then what you need most is a good reason — something to stir up the folks back home.

As the U.S. prepared to go to war in Iraq last winter, the most compelling reason advanced by George W. Bush to justify a new kind of pre-emptive war was that Saddam Hussein possessed nuclear, chemical and biological arms — weapons of mass destruction (wmd). "There's no doubt in my mind but that they currently have chemical and biological weapons," said Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld in January. "We believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons," said Vice President Dick Cheney in March. That Iraq might have WMD was never the only reason the Bush Administration wanted to topple Saddam. But it was the big reason, the casus belli, the public rationale peddled over and over to persuade a skeptical nation, suspicious allies and a hostile United Nations to get behind the controversial invasion. And while that sales pitch fell flat overseas, it worked better than expected at home: by late March, 77% of the public felt that invading U.S. troops would find WMD.

But eight weeks after the war's end, most of that confident intelligence has yet to pan out, and a growing number of experts think it never will. Current and former U.S. officials have begun to question whether the weapons will ever be found in anything like the quantities the U.S. suggested before the war — if found at all — and whether the U.S. gamed the intelligence to justify the invasion. For now, WMD seems to stand for weapons of mass disappearance. Smarting from the accusations that they had cooked the books, top U.S. officials fanned out late last week to say the hunt would go on and the weapons would eventually be found. CIA officials told TIME that they would produce a round of fresh evidence for increasingly wary lawmakers as early as next week. After dispatching dozens of G.I. patrols to some 300 suspected WMD sites in Iraq over the past two months, only to come up empty-handed, the Pentagon announced last week that it will shift from hunting for banned weapons to hunting for documents and people who might be able to say where banned weapons are — or were. But it is clear that the U.S. is running out of good leads. "We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad," Lieut. General James T. Conway, commander of the 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, said last week. "But they're simply not there."

Wherever they are, the missing weapons are beginning to cause trouble elsewhere. Overseas, British Prime Minister Tony Blair is under fire from critics for overstating the case for war. The accusations came at an awkward moment for Bush, as he began a seven-day diplomatic trip to smooth over relations in Europe and seek peace in the Middle East. Moreover, mistrust about the Iraqi intelligence was growing just as the Administration began to make a similar case against Iran. In order to defend the credibility of his agency, CIA Director George Tenet took the unusual step of issuing a statement last Friday dismissing suggestions that the CIA politicized its intelligence. "Our role is to call it like we see it, to tell policymakers what we know, what we don't know, what we think and what we base it on. That's the code we live by." Asked to translate, an intelligence official explained that if there was a breakdown on the Bush team, it wasn't at the agency. "There's one issue in terms of collecting and analyzing intelligence," he said. "Another issue is what policymakers do with that information. That's their prerogative."



One of the oldest secrets of the secret world is that intelligence work involves as much art as science. While it is difficult, dangerous and expensive to snoop on our enemies with satellite cameras, hidden bugs and old-fashioned dead drops, knowing what all that information really means is the true skill of intelligence work. The information is often so disparate and scattershot that it amounts to little without interpretation.

And interpretation has long been the speciality of the hard-liners who fill so many key foreign-policy posts in the Bush Administration. Unlike his father, who ran the CIA briefly in the mid-'70s and prided himself on revitalizing an embattled spy corps, George W. Bush dotted his foreign-policy team with people who have waged a private war with the CIA for years, men who are disdainful of the way the agency gathers secrets — and what it makes of them. Working mainly out of the Pentagon, the hard-liners have long believed that America's spy agency was a complacent captive of the two parties' internationalist wings, too wary and risk averse, too reliant on gadgets and too slow to see enemies poised to strike.

Two Bush aides in particular, Rumsfeld and his Pentagon deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, have a long record of questioning the assumptions, methods and conclusions of the cia. Wolfowitz was a member of the famous B Team, created in the mid-'70s by the cia, then headed by Bush's father, to double-check the work of the cia's line analysts about the military strength of the Soviet Union. Filled with many hard-liners who now work in the younger Bush's Administration, the B Team was spoiling back then for bigger defense budgets and a more aggressive foreign policy. It found many of the cia's conclusions about the Soviet Union softheaded and naive. Its final report helped launch the Reagan-era defense buildup of the 1980s. Rumsfeld also chaired a bipartisan commission in 1998 set up by Congress to assess the pace of rogue states' missile efforts, which concluded that the cia wouldn't be able to gather intelligence quickly enough to meet the unseen threats posed by Iran, Iraq and North Korea. That dire prediction — reinforced by a North Korean missile launch a month later — turbocharged the nation's push to build a $100 billion missile shield, now under construction.

The hard-liners' staunch beliefs were powerfully bolstered after 9/11; they quickly concluded that the CIA failed to anticipate the attacks on the Pentagon and the World Trade Center. And they were not reassured by the CIA's performance after 9/11 either. By last fall, Rumsfeld had grown so impatient with the CIA's equivocal explanations of the Iraq problem that he set up his own mini-CIA at the Pentagon called the Office of Special Plans. It was hatched and designed, as a former U.S. official puts it, to get "the intelligence he wanted."

Several current and former military officers who saw all the relevant data through this spring charge that the Pentagon took the raw data from the CIA and consistently overinterpreted the threat posed by Iraq's stockpiles. "There was a predisposition in this Administration to assume the worst about Saddam," a senior military officer told Time. This official, recently retired, was deeply involved in planning the war with Iraq but left the service after concluding that the U.S. was going to war based on bum intelligence. "They were inclined to see and interpret evidence a particular way to support a very deeply held conviction," the officer says. "I just think they felt there needed to be some sort of rallying point for the American people. I think they said it sincerely, but I also think that at the end of the day, we'll find out their interpretations of the intelligence were wrong." Another official, an Army intelligence officer, singled out Rumsfeld for massaging the facts. "Rumsfeld was deeply, almost pathologically distorting the intelligence," says the officer. Rumsfeld told a radio audience last week that the "war was not waged under any false pretense." And an aide flat-out rejects the idea that intelligence was hyped to support the invasion. "We'd disagree very strongly with that," said Victoria Clarke, the chief Pentagon spokeswoman.

Over the past two weeks, TIME has interviewed several dozen current and former intelligence officials and experts at the Pentagon and cia and on Capitol Hill to try to understand how the public version of the intelligence got so far ahead of the evidence. The reporting suggests that from the start the process was more deductive than empirical. According to these officials, three factors were at work: 





TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
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To: Mike4Freedom
I think that we might consider another theory. He was playing a game with his neighbors. He wanted them to worry that he did have WMDs so they would not attack him. Any comments on this theory?

He was more afraid of them than he was of the Coalition of the Willing? Riiiight.

243 posted on 06/02/2003 11:27:27 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Peach; Austin Willard Wright; BOBTHENAILER
I will be happy to clarify my post that Clinton had a "weak" foreign policy:

I agree especially after reading thru this article and the comments:

PROOF of Iraq's WMD (Flashback Clinton speech 1998)

244 posted on 06/02/2003 11:32:21 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and his Weapons of Mass Destruction?)
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To: wotan
He may even still have them somewhere, but if the US armed forces with control of the entire country and with leading Iraqi weapon scientists in custody cannot find them, I feel pretty confident a bunch of inspectors led by Hans Blix wouldn't find them either.

Do you always jump to conclusions?

You've jumped to the conclusion that "the Us armed forces ... cannot find them." They haven't been reported in a few weeks' time after months of people like you griping that we must give inspections more time, ad nauseum, and already you've jumped to the conclusion that the US cannot find them.

245 posted on 06/02/2003 11:35:15 AM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Peach
I think we basically agree.
246 posted on 06/02/2003 11:45:48 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Peach
Either way, it's a better world without Saddam's rape rooms and torture rooms; the left has never met a dictator they didn't support and seemingly admire.

The left and apparently, unfortunately, the extreme fringe on the right.

247 posted on 06/02/2003 12:04:55 PM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Mike4Freedom
Then I suppose you accept responsibility for the 5000 to 7000 Iraqi civilian deaths as well.

Good grief, Saddam would have murdered more than that from 4/9 to today, and that many more every month for, what, decades until he dies, and then for decades more under Qusay.

No, you've already demonstrated that you don't give a damn about Iraqi civilian deaths by your support of Saddam.

248 posted on 06/02/2003 12:43:40 PM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: templar
All I want to do is see some of this HUGE QUANTITY of weapons Bush absolutely assured us Saddam had. That's all I'm asking.

All right, let's see if you are true to your word.

Proof of some of this huge quantity can be seen here

249 posted on 06/02/2003 1:23:28 PM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: Agape
This is true, its not looking good for Bush or Blair. Blair is taking a lot of heat, and if I recall, he promised to resign if WMDs were not found. Fortunately for Bush, so far the Democrats don't have a candidate who can take on the republicans.

I'm sure there will be an inquiry pretty soon, as its evident that 1) Bush and Powell have lied all along or 2) they had extremely poor intelligence....I certainly hope its the latter. Bush is starting to lose credibility even with his supporters and certainly they should lay off the threats to Syria and Iran until the intelligence data is verified. It is beginning to look as if the war was not justified after all, regardless of how bad Saddam was/is.

I have to admit, I'm also beginning to wonder if all those orange alerts were really on the level.

They also need to get their act together in Iraq, the situation is not good there either.

Questioning these things and expressing this opinion doesn't make me a Saddam supporter, nor does it make one a lefty.


"That's BS. We need to find the REAL WMDs (the biological/chemical/nuclear weapons) that Bush was talking about before we can call this war a success."
250 posted on 06/02/2003 2:33:14 PM PDT by scriblett
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Bump for later read and browse.
251 posted on 06/02/2003 2:35:37 PM PDT by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: k2blader
Be sure and add this article, comments and links to your list:

IRAQ: Powell Defends Information He Used to Justify Iraq War

252 posted on 06/02/2003 2:39:22 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Where is Saddam? and his Weapons of Mass Destruction?)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Many thanks!
253 posted on 06/02/2003 2:41:10 PM PDT by k2blader (Haruspex, beware.)
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To: alnick
No, you've already demonstrated that you don't give a damn about Iraqi civilian deaths by your support of Saddam.

There it is again. The foolish statement that if you didn't want to go to war with Iraq, you must be a lover of Saddam. That is ridiculous. I suppose that if I don't want to go to war with Cuba, since it is not a threat to us, I must love Castro. Stop and think a minute and you will see how silly that statement is.

We have no business risking our soldiers lives fighting against a nation that is not a threat to us. Their internal problems are their own. Of course, if you want to help the poor people there, you are welcome to volunteer. Did you go to help the Tutsis in Ruanda in 1994? Did you think that our government should have? They were ultimately saved by their brethren from neighboring countries.

254 posted on 06/02/2003 3:40:42 PM PDT by Mike4Freedom (Freedom is the one thing that you cannot have unless you grant it to everyone else.)
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To: Mike4Freedom
No, you were the one griping about the civilian deaths in post 119. I pointed out that because of the war we have prevented countless civilian deaths. You can't have it both ways. You can't complain about the war based on civilian deaths, and then jump me for pointing out that the number of civilian deaths is miniscule compared to what would have happened if we'd left Saddam in power.
255 posted on 06/02/2003 4:24:32 PM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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256 posted on 06/02/2003 4:56:18 PM PDT by BagCamAddict
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To: alnick
An alleged chemical spill in a river is more likely to be industrial waste than WMD's. Especially since we were bombing the H*ll out of his industrial resources there. Explain exactly how one would load the Euphrates into a cannon and fire it at someone? And, if you'd like cyanide to be WMD proof (it's a very common industrial chemical), it ends up in Colorado rivers and streams frequently (killing all the aquatic life), so if it is proof of illegal WMD's ... When does the bombing start?

As I said, show me some WMD's, not a bunch of stuff that the Iraq war supporters (those who seem to think it's no problem that they may have been lied to in order to manipulate them) claim are proof because there is an outside possibility that some obscure trace of chemical or some piece of multiple use manufacturing equipment might have possibly indicated the potential to make them.

Remember that we were sold a bill of goods about tens and tens of thousand of WMD munitions, thousands of tons of assorted weaponized chemicals ready to be deployed by everything from scud missles to remote controlled drone aircraft, hundreds of gallons of biological agents (smallpox, anthrax, botulina, etc.) and so on.

Just show 'em to me, that's all I'm asking. I think it's a reasonable request in return for my support of the war; support based on believing those claims. Just show 'em to me.

BTW, remember the river pollution in the Balkans war? No one seems to claim that's proof of WMD's.

257 posted on 06/02/2003 5:21:44 PM PDT by templar
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To: BOBTHENAILER; dighton
In fairness to Buckeroo, he merely posted something he found at Cockburn's website. I must think that he/she was simply posting whatever was coming-up on a search, just as I must think his defense of the same was a result of pride and of ignorance.

The alternative is more difficult to stomach; a self-professed "conservative" whose hatred of all things Bush has driven him/her into the clutches of the unapologetic Marxist Left, and who accuses the folks who call to attention this entente cordiale (or marriage-of-convenience) of improper or impure patriotism. Talk about cognitive dissonance.

258 posted on 06/02/2003 5:47:18 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: templar
Just as I suspected.

259 posted on 06/02/2003 6:04:40 PM PDT by alnick ("Never have so many been so wrong about so much." - Rummy)
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To: templar
Crows are best eaten, when tenderized by maggots. It takes time.
260 posted on 06/02/2003 7:06:34 PM PDT by desertcry
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