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To: ArGee
I assure you I'm not playing games. I hate the level of sophistry on this board and I'm surely not going to do it myself. I find it bizarre when anyone makes that "downfall of society" claim, completely overlooking other factors such as famine, flood, disease, war, imperialism, migration, and forced dispersion as the cause of the ruin of nations. No, no. It was homosexuality! Come on.

Homosexuals have never been accused of being something other than human

Not in the literal sense. But to the extent that certain segments of society feel that homosexuals are not entitled to the same rights and dignity as everyone else, much as the mentality towards slaves was, I think it's a very valid analogy.

everyone knows that homosexuals ...are mentally ill

Really??? That's a pretty bold statement. Pretty untrue also. Even the medical establishment would disagree.

143 posted on 06/02/2003 10:03:39 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: tdadams
Really??? That's a pretty bold statement. Pretty untrue also. Even the medical establishment would disagree.

It is a bold statement, and you're right, I should never say "everyone." However, the medical establishment would not disagree. The closest the APA has done is to say that if the person has a maladaptation, and doesn't desire to change, then the correct response is to help them get used to being maladapted. The APA has never demonstrated a balief that homoerotic attraction was not a maladaption.

They have just decided not to care.

I firmly believe that most people who make the "downfall of civilization" claim, as I do, don't think homoerotic attraction or the acceptance thereof is the root cause. The root cause is the same root cause we are suffering from in "western civilization" today, the ascendency of nhilism. If you notice, you have not really countered any of my arguments. You've merely put forth the concept that people ought to be able to do whatever they want to do. That's the root cause, that only "me" matters.

This is the libertarian fallacy, and it will doom our culture. It is probably already too late to turn the tide, but we must still try while we may.

Shalom.

145 posted on 06/02/2003 10:21:17 AM PDT by ArGee (I did not come through fire and death to bandy crooked words with a serving-man... - Gandalf)
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To: tdadams
Really??? That's a pretty bold statement. Pretty untrue also. Even the medical establishment would disagree.

Bullogna! Not everyone in the medical establishment believes that it's not a behavioral pathology. 42% [over 10,000 psychiatrists] voted NOT to remove it from the DSM. There was no science used for its removal, it was completely political and led by Robert Spitzer.

157 posted on 06/02/2003 1:37:16 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: tdadams
I assure you I'm not playing games. I hate the level of sophistry on this board and I'm surely not going to do it myself. I find it bizarre when anyone makes that "downfall of society" claim, completely overlooking other factors such as famine, flood, disease, war, imperialism, migration, and forced dispersion as the cause of the ruin of nations. No, no. It was homosexuality! Come on.

Moral collapse always precedes societal collapse. When the society accepts certain behaviors as 'right' then that society is doomed to fall. Greece, Rome, Europe. All eventually accepted homoerotic behavior and all have (or are) falling. The moral collapse removes the underlying strength that would have let them survive the other hazards. Only a virtuous society will last and the practice of homosexual behavior is never virtuous

Argee->Homosexuals have never been accused of being something other than human

you-> Not in the literal sense. But to the extent that certain segments of society feel that homosexuals are not entitled to the same rights and dignity as everyone else, much as the mentality towards slaves was, I think it's a very valid analogy.

So what rights do SADs not have that we do? where has anyone promoted denying them any rights?

310 posted on 06/10/2003 1:35:07 PM PDT by John O (God Save America (Please))
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