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Miss a payment and your car may die
KFXO-TV ^ | 5/15/03

Posted on 05/24/2003 4:26:04 AM PDT by Dane

Miss a payment and your car may die

Imagine getting in your car and it won't start. The situation would be aggravating for most, but for hundreds of thousands of Americans it could simply mean their car payment is overdue. A growing number of car dealers are using starter stoppers technology to ensure you don't get lax on your loan.

Macy Pearson loves the used car she just bought, but it will only start if she's made her car payment. Nestled under her dash is a device called a starter interrupt system. If Macy doesn't pay, the device is set to disable her car so she can't drive.

Macy's salesman insisted she have it, since she has no credit history. Once Macy sends in her payment, she's given a code number to input into a remote that connects to a device underneath the dash. "I stick it right in here. You punch in your code, you hear another little chirp and you're done," explains Macy, as she easily connects the device that will allow her car to run for another week.

Mike Simon's company, Payment Protection Systems, made the device in Macy's car and some 60,000 others bought at corner used car lots and dealerships alike. He says the device protects dealers from credit risks. "The people know that they have to make their payment and they really do perform in making their payments on time," says Simon. "Our delinquency rate was probably up around ten to twenty percent without the device. And since then, it's dropped down below two percent," says car dealer Steve Matthews about using the device with costumers.

It may be good for dealers, but what about drivers. Not everyone's sold on the idea of no cash no dash. Jack Gillis of the Consumer Federation of America has written a book about buying a car. He says the devices could put customers at risk. "You might be in a situation where you are in an unsafe position, and you need to get out of there quickly, and you can't do it," says Gillis about the pitfalls of such a device.

But device makers say cars won't stop while in motion they just won't start once they're turned off. Even then, drivers like Macy can call their salesmen for an emergency code that is good for 24 hours. Dealers also insist everyone is told about the service before they buy, and device makers like Stan Schwarz says drivers are warned before the "kill."

Manufacturers say the technology can make the difference between getting a car and walking on foot for many. But critics say customers don’t always leave the car lot with a better price, or better financing if they have the device. It turns out cars may not be the only things fitted with those kill chips. Look for them to turn up in computers, air conditioners, and yes, even TV's.

Macy's no critic, she's grateful for the opportunity to buy a car and working hard to get a solid credit history started. To her, that device under her dash is a dose of discipline. "It really helps because it makes you pay on time."


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To: Dane
I like this product, but it is the first step to a possible total loss of our individual freedom. The next step is for colleges to implant a chip in your brain as the price of education. Thereafter, you must "donate" 10 percent of your income or it lobotomizes your brain. This application seems ok, but the next one may not be ok.
121 posted on 05/24/2003 5:15:13 PM PDT by staytrue
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To: Mike Darancette
Arbitrarily denying someone transportation when the are in need of it or when the vehicle is in a dangerous location can be dangerous.

It isn't arbitrary if the denial is due to the debtor's nonpayment of his just obligations. It is wholly reasonable and entirely just. Anything else is irresponsible freeloading--something libertararians supposedly disdain.

122 posted on 05/24/2003 5:15:23 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: staytrue
I like this product, but it is the first step to a possible total loss of our individual freedom.

The solution is simple. Just don't buy on credit. Save up and pay the full sum in cash. You have a choice. You always have a choice.

123 posted on 05/24/2003 5:19:35 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: gcruse
I used to have a preference for Chrysler products but no more, since it only feeds our adversaries in Germany. At present I am a proud owner of a Chevrolet product.
124 posted on 05/24/2003 5:28:38 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (My 2 cents.)
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To: Willie Green
. I'll take my time and look for a good used one that's maybe 3~4 years old and pay cash. I'll drive it for maybe 5~6 years and still find somebody willing to buy it from me. It all depends how you take care of it.

If you buy carefully, you don't have to keep the car 6 - 6 years. I have a friend who buys a 3 year old car every year and sells it one year to eighteen months later. He has never sold a car for more than $500 less than he paid for it and has sold some at a profit.

125 posted on 05/24/2003 5:29:49 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: Dec31,1999
And I used to be a GM man. That was up until the seventies (?) when GM pushed Congress to get Japanese manufacturers to agree to limit their sales in the US. GM used the anti-import lever to negotiate the unions into reduced demands.

Once the agreement was signed, GM gave their executives huge bonuses and jacked up the prices of theirs cars.

As a screwed consumer, I said never again GM, and I never have.

126 posted on 05/24/2003 5:34:48 PM PDT by gcruse (Vice is nice, but virtue can hurt you. --Bill Bennett)
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To: Archangelsk
In a truly free society we wouldn't need devices like these. Sorry, I don't want large corporations monitoring me.

Aren't people free to either buy or not buy a car that has this device????
127 posted on 05/24/2003 5:35:05 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Dane
This is too funny!
My husband has a business where he sells and repairs x-ray equipment to Doctors, hospitals, etc. Perhaps we should have this feature, as Doctors are notoriously late in paying their bills!
128 posted on 05/24/2003 5:37:14 PM PDT by ladyinred (Freedom isn't free, remember our fallen heroes)
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To: tuna_battle_slight_return
It's an insult to the person who's giving their business to the dealership. Those dealerships who choose to implement such barbaric tactics will be wasted by the competition in the long run.

I'm not sure many dealerships want deadbeat business.
129 posted on 05/24/2003 5:38:20 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: Kevin Curry; Cultural Jihad
Everyone has a selection of choices. Even in Communist countries, people can choose to go along with the party line or not.

You sound like someone who has never had to struggle. Someone whose parents made sure that you would ultimately not have to ever hit zero. If not, then you may be stronger than most.

If not, tell us about your struggle. Why don't you ever elucidate with examples from your life?

130 posted on 05/24/2003 5:46:09 PM PDT by Dec31,1999 (My 2 cents.)
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To: Kevin Curry
something libertararians supposedly disdain.

Normally libertarians are something I disdain.

If the creditor is notified of impending interruption of service that would be one matter but the article alluded to a surprise shut off.

The creditor may believe that he made the payment or using withholding of payment for a legal purpose.

I wouldn't like to put my trust in minimum wage geeks at the loan company.

131 posted on 05/24/2003 5:47:04 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Soddom has left the bunker.)
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To: Dane

The "device" could be thwarted in a matter of minutes and it's a major hassle.

I don't see it becoming very popular. Especially with banks extending credit to everything that walks, crawls or slithers.

132 posted on 05/24/2003 6:46:21 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: staytrue
My post was written in jest, but I guess the humor was too subtle.
133 posted on 05/24/2003 6:46:22 PM PDT by backlash
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To: Dane
PS: If you really wanted to do this right, a variation on the "On Star" system, with the lockout embedded in firmware would be the most secure means.
134 posted on 05/24/2003 6:48:08 PM PDT by Jhoffa_
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To: green team 1999
lol. I heard the recall petition is building steam, so maybe you won't need it.
135 posted on 05/24/2003 6:51:37 PM PDT by backlash
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To: DCPatriot
Let's just use the skull bracelet too! A head device fill with explosives that will detonate and blow your head off if you venture past a pre-set distance.

As a matter of fact, I do like that idea...imagine convicted child molesters, stalker restrictions, even prisons without walls, for that matter...

It might sound sadistic, but if you are convicted beyond benefit of the doubt, imagine the savings we can make, in regards to control the ever so increasingly prison population.

It looks like, the movie industry has a better grasp of future reality than your average law maker.

Imagine the scennario...you were told not to cross the line, you did it anyways and boom, one cockroach is gone. Further more, do give me the liberals mantra, of a cruel and unusual punisment, because it is time, we stop coddling the criminals and start deliver justice to the victims, as it should be.

You commited a crime, knowingly is against the law,...guess what, you are going to pay the price, and if you are convicted, in my oppinion the harsher and swifter the punishment,(of course after the absolute conviction beyond any benefit of the doubt in the court of law), the less crime we will see, because of the so called "nasty" procedure.(exploding collar device).

136 posted on 05/24/2003 7:41:47 PM PDT by danmar ("It is extremely hard to soar like an Eagle, when you are surrounded by Turkey's")
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To: Otto von Bismark
do give me the liberals=do NOT give me the liberals...

ooop's

137 posted on 05/24/2003 7:47:56 PM PDT by danmar ("It is extremely hard to soar like an Eagle, when you are surrounded by Turkey's")
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To: Dec31,1999
Of course I've struggled. But I've never avoided my just obligations or debts either. Does that surprise you?
138 posted on 05/24/2003 7:57:03 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: NCLaw441
It's an insult to the person who's giving their business to the dealership.

Then don't buy at that dealership. You whiners believe everyone owes you something.

139 posted on 05/24/2003 8:07:39 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Jhoffa_
I don't see it becoming very popular. Especially with banks extending credit to everything that walks, crawls or slithers.

On the contrary. People will buy there if it makes sense for them to. If they know their car will not start if they default on their payments, they are more likely to exercise discipline and make payments as agreed. They might have to spend less on weed, booze, or impulsive budget-busting purchases like big screen TVs, but in the long run by being made to feel the immediate consequences of irresponsibility, they may learn--for the first time in their lives--that exercising self-discipline and setting priorities are valuable habits to develop.

As for the person who experiences an unfortunate reversal in life--job layoff, unexpected medical bills etc--there is almost always a way to keep a creditor from imposing a severe sanction. It starts with contacting the creditor amd trying to work some temporary relief. Most creditors appreciate such contract and will try to accomodate a request for short-term forebearance or help. Then there is the extended family that ought to stand ready to help out a family member in trouble.

Instead, everyone wants a government bailout or to stiff the creditor and let taxpayers and other borrowers absorb the loss.

Libertarians are so predictable: "What mine is mine, and what's yours is mine, 'coz I might really, really need it more than you do."

140 posted on 05/24/2003 8:20:26 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
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