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To: VRWCmember
Alot more documentation than most urban legends, but you decide:

www.awolbush.com

Despite the obvious bias, seems like a good case to me.
82 posted on 05/12/2003 2:45:09 PM PDT by Egregious Philbin
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To: Egregious Philbin
http://www.hobbsonline.blogspot.com/2003_05_01_hobbsonline_archive.html#93934189

Guarding the Truth
A big Welcome! to those who came here from Instapundit, One Hand Clapping, Sgt. Stryker, the Daily Pundit and sundry other points of the blogosphere. After you read the post below, please also scroll up or go here to read a follow-up. And please don't miss these just-posted letters from two readers.

Blogger South Knox Bubba is fond of belittling President George W. Bush's service in the Texas Air National Guard, even repeating the charge that Bush was often "AWOL" during his stint in the Guard. It's a favorite accusation of the anti-Bushies, one given new life a few years ago by this story in the Boston Globe, which alleges a one-year gap in Bush's service record.

But later reporting proved Bush wasn't AWOL. National Guard magazine said it best in its Jan. 2001 edition:

Bush also was accused of skirting the draft by joining the Texas Air Guard in 1968. He became an F-102 fighter pilot before being discharged as a first lieutenant in 1973. [Former National Guard Bureau historian retired Col. Michael] Doubler says it is unfair to criticize those who joined the Guard during the Vietnam War. "The government allowed it and in many ways encouraged it," he said "There were a lot of things the government did to authorize people to serve in places other than the front lines."

Bush's drill performance also stirred controversy during the campaign. Some reports charged that he was absent for a year. However, probably the most comprehensive media review of Bush's military records concluded that while he, "served irregularly after the spring of 1972 and got an expedited discharge, he did accumulate the days of service required for him for his ultimate honorable discharge." The review was done by Georgemag.com, the online version of the magazine founded by the late John F. Kennedy Jr.

Guardsmen say Bush's service record is not unusual. "In any six-year time frame you probably can find some problems," says retired Rep. G.V. 'Sonny' Montgomery, D-Miss., founder of the House Guard and Reserve Caucus. "Just learning to fly the F-102 and not getting hurt and not hurting anybody is an accomplishment." Montgomery called Bush's election, "nothing but a plus for the Guard."

The New York Times also looked into the charge and found it lacked substance:

Two Democratic senators today called on Gov. George W. Bush to release his full military record to resolve doubts raised by a newspaper about whether he reported for required drills when he was in the Air National Guard in 1972 and 1973. But a review of records by The New York Times indicated that some of those concerns may be unfounded. The Times examined the record in response to a previous Boston Globe story.

Documents reviewed by The Times showed that Mr. Bush served in at least 9 of the 17 months in question... On Sept. 5, 1972, Mr. Bush asked his Texas Air National Guard superiors for assignment to the 187th Tactical Recon Group in Montgomery "for the months of September, October and November." Capt. Kenneth K. Lott, chief of the personnel branch of the 187th Tactical Recon Group, told the Texas commanders that training in September had already occurred but that more training was scheduled for Oct. 7 and 8 and Nov. 4 and 5. But Mr. Bartlett said Mr. Bush did not serve on those dates because he was involved in the Senate campaign, but he made up those dates later.

Colonel Turnipseed, who retired as a general, said in an interview that regulations allowed Guard members to miss duty as long as it was made up within the same quarter. Mr. Bartlett pointed to a document in Mr. Bush's military records that showed credit for four days of duty ending Nov. 29 and for eight days ending Dec. 14, 1972, and, after he moved back to Houston, on dates in January, April and May. The May dates correlated with orders sent to Mr. Bush at his Houston apartment on April 23, 1973, in which Sgt. Billy B. Lamar told Mr. Bush to report for active duty on May 1-3 and May 8-10. Another document showed that Mr. Bush served at various times from May 29, 1973, through July 30, 1973, a period of time questioned by The Globe.

Here's a link to the abstract of the NYT story. The text I provided came courtesy of AndrewSullivan.com

Even the Boston Globe's story admits Bush served more than the minimum time, and was a fine pilot:

Those who trained and flew with Bush, until he gave up flying in April 1972, said he was among the best pilots in the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron. In the 22-month period between the end of his flight training and his move to Alabama, Bush logged numerous hours of duty, well above the minimum requirements for so-called ''weekend warriors.''

Indeed, in the first four years of his six-year commitment, Bush spent the equivalent of 21 months on active duty, including 18 months in flight school. His Democratic opponent, Vice President Al Gore, who enlisted in the Army for two years and spent five months in Vietnam, logged only about a month more active service, since he won an early release from service.



Incidentally, Bush flew with the 111th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron, which was attached to the 147th Fighter Wing, based in Houston, Texas. While Bush's unit never got called to Vietnam, the 147th was. From 1968 through 1970, pilots from the 147th participated in operation "Palace Alert" and served in Southeast Asia during the height of the Vietnam War. The 147th came off runway alert on Jan. 1, 1970 to start a new mission of training all F-102 pilots in the United States for the Air National Guard.

Bush enlisted as an Airman Basic in the 147th Fighter-Interceptor Group at Ellington Air Force Base, Houston, on May 28, 1968 - at a time when the 147th was actively participating in combat in Vietnam. However, one can not train overnight to be a pilot. Bush completed basic flight training and then, from December 1969 through June 27, 1970, he was training full-time at Ellington to be an F-102 pilot.

Bush volunteered to serve in a unit at the very moment it was seeing combat in Vietnam, and only a restructuring of the unit's mission before he completed his flight training made it unlikely he would fly in combat. And he was never AWOL - he completed his required service and even served beyond the minimum.

SKB owes the president an apology.

posted by Bill | Wednesday, May 07, 2003
92 posted on 05/12/2003 3:02:44 PM PDT by Leisler (Scots/Irish book thieves are the worst. But Greeks, Oh My God!)
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To: Egregious Philbin; Leisler; Robert A. Cook, PE
I'm not sure anyone here would consider the people who created that site you directed us to as any kind of "expert" or relevant source concerning President Bush.

The guy who is designated as creator/owner of that site (Will Easton) under the name "Tell the Truth, Inc., Cesar Chavez (St.), San Francisco" Source, was recognized by the Sierra Club for his anti-sprawl site Here, signed a letter to the people of the world denouncing the Iraq War and calling the US Government "a global bully" Here, visits Washington as a member of "Communities against a Radioactive Environment" while denouncing that Iraq War's fight to remove dangerous WMD from Iraq Here, is involved with another company called "Center for Citizens Initiative" where he encourages agricultural rooftop gardens development in Russia with direct funding TO Russia, using a US Grant Here, and speaks of a working in the "former Soviet Union" Here, and is considered a relevant source to motherjones.com here, scroll down to 'Dubya's Missing Year of Service' headline because he directed motherjones to the tompaine.com website and another AWOL article.

You admit to the site's "obvious bias", but did you happen to check the background of the site before taking its information as gospel?

110 posted on 05/12/2003 3:25:57 PM PDT by cgk (Sponge Bob is not a contraceptive.)
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To: Egregious Philbin
www.awolbush.com

Despite the obvious bias, seems like a good case to me.

It's not, it's based on misrepresentation of what various documents mean. One document, the points accrual for 1973, clearly shows that Lt. Bush put in the required mix of inactive and active duty training days. It's not that unusual for training dates to be changed and new orders, maybe only verbal orders, althouth not usually, so the fact that he did his training on different days than the origainal orders called for is not particularly unusual. You'll note that on the same orders suspending Bush from flying status for failure to accomplish his flying physical, there was a major from the same unit who was similarly suspended. I don't know the reason for either of them to have missed their physical, but it' obvious that Bush was having scheduling conflicts. This can be a real problem for Guardsmen and reservists, who after all have other jobs, some of which may require them to be away from their assigned unit's location, and so those units tend to be somewhat flexible about training days and schedules. As long as the minimum ammount of training is accomplished that is.

The site misorders documents, implying for instance that the denial of transfer to an ARS, was in response to the request to train with the AL ANG, rather than to the ARS, which he wasn't eligible to do, which the ARS CO who approved the reqest, should have known. It also presents fragments of documents, which makes misrepresenting them easier. The "penalty for bad attendence" document is clearly some part of Bush's intial enlistment before he attended basic training and before he was commisioned as a 2nd Lt, not some record of punishment or even "warning" other than one given to all ANG (and reseve) enlistees. I recall recieving and signing something similar myself in 1971, when I entered AF ROTC. (They enlist you into the reserves while you are in the last two years of the program, and/or are on an AFROTC scholarship).

Now to be fair, if he'd wanted to go to Vietnam, he certainly could have gotten into a regular active duty slot. In '68 there were plenty of pilot flying training slots available. But also by '68 it was obvious that we weren't trying to win the Vietnam war, and very few folks who realised that, and weren't professional military (and some who were) wanted to go die in a losing effort. Bush chose service defending the country from attack, however unlikely at the time, over running to Canada, England and/or Russia.

156 posted on 05/12/2003 4:39:59 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: Egregious Philbin
Let's settle the Bush in Alabama at the 187th ANG unit once and for all. Nobody knows if he or any other transient types were there or not. At that time, there were dozens of people from other units in and out. Regular Air Force getting in flying time while at the Air War College and Lord knows what else. As to Lt. Col. Turnipseed not remembering him, let's just say if I were counting on building a case solely on his memory I'd be in deep trouble.
How do I know? I was there. If Bush says he was, I believe him. We didn't exactly keep up with stray Lts. back then.
195 posted on 05/14/2003 9:28:42 PM PDT by Himyar
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