[whattajoke]

Lots of water is not an example of self-assembly. Neither are snowflakes which are just the result of freezing of water and perhaps the power of the wind in giving them different shapes. They lack complexity. They are totally due to natural forces, and very simple ones at that. The DNA in the simplest organism however, the arrangement of it is not only not due to any natural forces, but it cannot be due to it.

Fascinating bit of personal opinion, unsubstantiated by anything other that Gore3000 University. Now that the Univ of Hawaii are no longer called the Rainbows, the nickname is available to your school (of erroneous) thought. Behe can teach there, of course.

Is water "simple?" Are polar covalent bonds "simple?" Couldn't someone say that water was "designed?" How can you state it wasn't? (Well, you just did, but why?) Water is unlike any other "naturally" occurring liquid on earth. The ultimate corrosive. Many of water's properties are nothing short of fascinating. Snowflakes are "simple?" Maybe for you with your folded paper and kiddie scissors they are, but in nature? Simple? They *look* designed to me. Prove they aren't.

Your failure to see the inanity of your position boggles the rational mind. YOU, RainbowBrite3000, can determine what is "designed" (DNA) and what is "not designed." Your ability to determine these things, if it were true, would be amazing.

Alas, You are only "amazing" in the area of html font colors.

[gore3000]

Lots of water is not an example of self-assembly. Neither are snowflakes which are just the result of freezing of water and perhaps the power of the wind in giving them different shapes. They lack complexity. They are totally due to natural forces, and very simple ones at that. The DNA in the simplest organism however, the arrangement of it is not only not due to any natural forces, but it cannot be due to it. -me-

Fascinating bit of personal opinion

Excuse me? That water does not self assemble itself into a lake is personal opinion? Your arrogance shows your total dishonesty and idiocy. Only a total fool would think that he can deny obvious facts as above and fool others into believing as he. All the above are created by simple well known forces.

As usual you and your friends dishonestly forget to address the meat of my argument which is (from the post you are supposedly responding to):

The DNA in the simplest organism however, the arrangement of it is not only not due to any natural forces, but it cannot be due to it. Otherwise we would not be able to find all the possible ways in which 3 different bit pairs with 3 possible values (64 in all) appear in the DNA sequences of all species. Such self assembly is totally unknown anywhere in the natural world. For anything even close, one must go and look at humanly designed things.

Let's see you or your friends refute the above.