[gore3000]

Lots of water is not an example of self-assembly. Neither are snowflakes which are just the result of freezing of water and perhaps the power of the wind in giving them different shapes. They lack complexity. They are totally due to natural forces, and very simple ones at that. The DNA in the simplest organism however, the arrangement of it is not only not due to any natural forces, but it cannot be due to it. -me-

Fascinating bit of personal opinion

Excuse me? That water does not self assemble itself into a lake is personal opinion? Your arrogance shows your total dishonesty and idiocy. Only a total fool would think that he can deny obvious facts as above and fool others into believing as he. All the above are created by simple well known forces.

As usual you and your friends dishonestly forget to address the meat of my argument which is (from the post you are supposedly responding to):

The DNA in the simplest organism however, the arrangement of it is not only not due to any natural forces, but it cannot be due to it. Otherwise we would not be able to find all the possible ways in which 3 different bit pairs with 3 possible values (64 in all) appear in the DNA sequences of all species. Such self assembly is totally unknown anywhere in the natural world. For anything even close, one must go and look at humanly designed things.

Let's see you or your friends refute the above.

[bondserv]

Hopefully the Grim Reaper will not have his way before they stop denying the obvious.

Continue your fight to keep back the gates of hell. We aren't the only ones who deem their souls are a worthy use of our time.

Thanks

[whattajoke]

Sigh... Once again you show your incredible ability to miss the point.

You stated water/lakes/snowflakes are "obviously" not "designed," they all come together through "simple" natural forces. Fair enough. You went on, though, to virtual-fellate Behe yet again by injecting your opinion that "no way did DNA 'self-assmeble,' implying that it is simply 'too complex'."

My question to you, Dear Man-of-many-font-colors3000, was how you determined the delineation between what is designed and what is not. Were/are prokaryotes "designed?" Viruses? Why or why not? How can you make that determination? Was the sun "designed?" (and all its, ahem, "chemical reactions?")

Once again, simply because you can't fathom the beauty, complexity, and intricacies of nature, doesn't mean nature is not complex and intricate. THAT'S what I meant by your "personal opinion," (Or Behe's, to be exact.)

Now would be the time when you or AndrewC posts that cool Flagellum picture again.