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To: AndrewC
[Why don't you answer the question?]

You have not provided the evidence for the assertion that the evolved circuit performs better than the patented circuit even in its modified form. Not one measurement, not one graph, not one number.

Sigh -- just how many new pointless "objections" are you going to pull out of your hat in an endless parade of lame excuses to avoid having to actually deal with the questions that have been put to you, and the issues raised?

You're not fooling anyone with this game-playing. Except for perhaps yourself.

But just to give you one less cheap excuse to avoid the issue, here's more information on the evolved circuit: "Evolving Inventions", John R. Koza, Martin A. Keane and Matthew J. Streeter, "Scientific American", Feb. 2003. For a more technical treatment, see: Matthew J. Streeter, Martin A. Keane, John R. Koza: Routine Duplication of Post-2000 Patented Inventions by Means of Genetic Programming. EuroGP 2002: 26-36.

So what's your excuse going to be *now*, Mr. Evasive?

While you're at it, you might want to take a gander at the following and explain why evolution doesn't actually work in *these* research projects either, even though it certainly seems to perform just fine:

The above can be found in the publication: William B. Langdon, Erick Cantú-Paz, Keith E. Mathias, Rajkumar Roy, David Davis, Riccardo Poli, Karthik Balakrishnan, Vasant Honavar, Günter Rudolph, Joachim Wegener, Larry Bull, Mitchell A. Potter, Alan C. Schultz, J. F. Miller, E. Burke, Natasa Jonoska (Eds.): GECCO 2002: Proceedings of the Genetic and Evolutionary Computation Conference, New York, USA, 9-13 July 2002. Morgan Kaufmann 2002, ISBN 1-55860-878-8

Give it up, Andrew, you're just looking silly. There's a whole world of significant evolutionary research results out there that you can't just make go away by wishing hard enough, or being evasive enough.
1,320 posted on 05/13/2003 5:46:03 PM PDT by Ichneumon
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To: Ichneumon
There's a whole world of significant evolutionary research results out there that you can't just make go away by wishing hard enough, or being evasive enough

I told you, a red herring does not work no matter how frantically you wave it. The evidence is for a specific assertion concerning specific circuits. You have yet to back up your assertion. To wit---

Deal with it. In this case, it made a cubic function generator circuit which outperforms the best that all electronic engineers were capable of producing in all the history of electronics.

The circuit at the top was patented in 2000, and is the current state of the art. The circuit at the bottom was produced by pure unaided evolution, and outperforms the human version. It's also complex enough that no one's figured out how it works yet...

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1,325 posted on 05/13/2003 6:28:29 PM PDT by AndrewC
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To: Ichneumon
While you're at it, you might want to take a gander at the following and explain why evolution doesn't actually work in *these* research projects either

Aaah, the evolutionist snow job. When shown that what you are discussing has been proven false you just pull out a bunch of links which you have not read and cannot discuss and ask your opponent to disprove it all. Pick ONE of those articles, post it here all to see and I guarantee you that we will show why it is absolute garbage.

BTW - I also can guarantee that you will not take up the challenge.

1,334 posted on 05/13/2003 6:56:28 PM PDT by gore3000
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