Posted on 05/08/2003 10:11:06 AM PDT by Nebullis
The scientific facts about the Cambrian are as I stated them to be. Not a single evolutionist has been able to come up with a legitimate evolutionary explanation that fits the facts. The Cambrian disproves gradual evolution completely. My beliefs (and yours) are irrelevant as to the facts in this matter or any other scientific matter. The facts speak for themselves. What you are trying to do is what the evolutionists here try to do all the time - to change the subject from the facts in the discussion to the person showing up facts against evolution. All you and your friends are doing is showing that my statement is correct - evolution is bunk and the only proof it can provide is: lies, doubletalk and insults.
Yes, men build pens to keep animals in for later consumption, and use swords on each other.
Well, at least you try to evade the point in a funny way. However, you know quite well what the point is - that man is much more than a beast. He strives for more than to just satisfy his material needs. He seeks to build, to create, to leave a legacy, to make the world better not just for himself but also for others and many other things which beasts do not even dream of. Man is far and away different from the beasts not in degree, but in kind.
Well, all the above is disproven by the cave paintings in Northern Spain and Southern France. Who do you sell a cave painting to? The caves were so hidden that it took thousands of years to find them, so who was he showing up for? No one.
Further, many people paint and do artistic things for the pleasure of it. Some women knit, sew, some men do things from wood and other materials. They do it for the pleasure it gives them, not for profit and not to satisfy any material need. Mankind is the only creature that does this.
Oh, I see, you call me ignorant for not having read it, yet you yourself have not read it. You claim it proves that non-living matter can create a turing machine but you cannot back it up. Thanks for showing all of us your mode of discussion is just one bluff after another and that your words should not be taken seriously.
Really? Evolution does not say that natural selection is the agency by which the good and the bad changes in organisms are sifted???????????
The above is the reason why the evolutionists will never state exactly what the theory of evolution is and how it works. As soon as a refutation is given for what it obviously says and for what evolutionists have been saying for 150 years, they say that evolution is not about that. They are thus always saying what evolution is not, but never what evolution is since just about every single statement in it has been totally disproven.
Nonsense. They concocted a program that would do what they wanted to do. Anyone can do that. A program can only be called a valid simulation if it behaves in the same way that the thing being simulated does AND takes into consideration all the relevant factors of the situation.
This program fails as a simulation on two counts:
1. It is totally impossible to simulate all the factors involved in living things and their environment. The program must therefore had to have been selective in what it chose to simulate. Therefore it is not a simulation of real life.
2. As I already pointed out, by evolutionist's own admission:
It's a truism of entomology (been demonstrated in sealed mason jars thousands of times) that when two nearly identical species occupy nearly the same contained biological nitche, one or the other will eventually prevail entirely, no matter how tiny its differential advantage.
1,012 posted on 05/09/2003 9:59 PM PDT by donh ).
that fitness cost is very important to evolution. The program did not exact a fitness cost for non-working functions. This makes the program total bunk.
Furthermore, as I have said, with so many experiments going on all the time, so much money poured into biology not just by the US Government, but by private foundations, medical firms, drug firms, hospitals in the US and throughout the world - why is there a need for a program to prove that evolution is science? If it were science the proof would be coming out on a daily basis from all the scientific research going on.
Finally, something we can both agree on wholeheartedly.
Where did I call you ignorant for not having read it?
If you were ignorant, at least there'd be an anemic excuse for your creative approach to generating data.
yet you yourself have not read it. You claim it proves that non-living matter can create a turing machine but you cannot back it up.
I never read the bible. That doesn't mean there's a law against me quoting from it, now does it? I never finished Euclid. Does that mean I can't provide a geometric proof out of Euclid's geometry? As usual, you are making up laws and data as you go along.
Thanks for showing all of us your mode of discussion is just one bluff after another and that your words should not be taken seriously.
Thanks for showing us once again what an opportunistic, self-aggradizing lightweight dissembler you are.
The theory of evolution is about prokariotes or better, as you know. The theory of evolution is mute about what might have happened before we got to prokariotes. As you know, on those rare occasions when you aren't deliberately misrepresenting what claims science makes.
The above is the reason why the evolutionists will never state exactly what the theory of evolution is and how it works. As soon as a refutation is given for what it obviously says and for what evolutionists have been saying for 150 years, they say that evolution is not about that. They are thus always saying what evolution is not, but never what evolution is since just about every single statement in it has been totally disproven.
As usual, you do not give the appearance of person with the slightest notion of what a proof is. And as usual, every claim you've made here is totally irrelevant, to anyone that's been to a natural history museum in the last 20 years or so, with his brights turned on. It is not science's job to jump through any hoops any lame idiot with a bee in his bonnet raises for it to jump through. The basic laws of physics aren't the same as they were 100 years ago, and I don't see you complaining about that. Science changes as we learn more. This is not, contrary to your nonsensical skreed, a jailable offense.
Thanks for your effort. Here is your good news. The paper has a genetically programmed virtual circuit that has an simulated performance edge over another virtual circuit in an average consisting of 4 fitness cases.
The bad news is that:
So what is to be gathered from this? Well, there is evidence that a genetically developed simulated circuit can, on paper, outperform a human designed simulated circuit in some specific data points, but the patented circuit still remains unchallenged when it comes to a non-simulated circuit operating in the frequency ranges for which it was designed. More to the point, the following assertions still hang.
In this case, it made a cubic function generator circuit which outperforms the best that all electronic engineers were capable of producing in all the history of electronics.
The circuit at the top was patented in 2000, and is the current state of the art. The circuit at the bottom was produced by pure unaided evolution, and outperforms the human version.
uri geller now!
So...(I should know better than to ask) you think the basic laws of physics haven't changed in the last 100 years?
Which, of course, makes the case under discussion, whether or not your deponent's representation of it was overblown.
That's a silly quibble. The universe does whatever it damn well pleases, and hasn't the slightest demonstrated notion of what a law is to constrain it. Insofar as what is demonstrable, natural laws are human inventions to help us think more effectively about nature. The claim that they are objectively existing things in and of themselves, is unproven and probably unprovable--as is likewise the claim that there is such a thing as "science" which exists independently of "the study of science".
Do tell.
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