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129th Kentucky Derby : Live Thread (Post Time: 3:04 pm PST)
Various ^ | May 3, 2003 | nwrep

Posted on 05/03/2003 9:24:02 AM PDT by nwrep

129th Kentucky Derby : Live Thread (Post Time: 3:04 pm PST)

Derby favorite Empire Maker runs with exercise rider Jose Cuevas aboard at Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky, May 2, 2003. Trainer Bobby Frankel is preparing the horse which will race in the 129th Kentucky Derby on May 3. Photo by Peter Jones/Reuters

Kentucky Derby hopeful Indian Express is ridden by exercise rider Mick Jenner as he runs the track at Churchill Downs in Louisville, Kentucky, May 1, 2003. Trainer Bob Baffert is preparing the horse for the 129th Kentucky Derby which will be run on May 3. REUTERS/Peter Jones

From the Washington Post:

LOUISVILLE -- Empire Maker is the cynosure of the 129th Kentucky Derby, its only entrant with an aura of glamour and the race's heaviest favorite in more than a decade. Many of his admirers talk as if the outcome of the Derby is a foregone conclusion and are already speculating whether the regal colt can win the Triple Crown.

From Reuters:

EXCLUSIVE CLUB

The Triple Crown remains one of the most exclusive clubs in all of sport with just 11 members, including some of the greatest names in equine history, War Admiral in 1937, Citation in 1948, Secretariat in 1973, Seattle Slew in 1977 and the last winner Affirmed in 1978.

It was 25 years between Triple Crown champions Citation and Secretariat and now another 25 years have passed between the last champion Affirmed and the winner of this year's Kentucky Derby, leaving many to believe stars have aligned for the emergence of the next great thoroughbred.

Many think that could be Empire Maker, a horse with an impeccable pedigree and a Hall of Fame trainer and jockey.

The odds makers are convinced that Empire Maker, trainer Bobby Frankel and jockey Jerry Bailey form an unbeatable trifecta for the mile and a quarter test, installing Khalid Abdullah's three year-old colt as the 6-5 early morning favorite for the mile and a quarter test.

Not since French invader Arazi was put at 6-5 in 1992 have punters seen such unexciting odds. In fact, only four horses have been at shorter morning odds, two of them Secretariat and Seattle Slew going on to claim the Triple Crown.

_____ Kentucky Derby Field _____
Field for Saturday's 129th Kentucky Derby, with post position and odds:

1. Supah Blitz (50-1)
2. Brancusi (30-1)
3. Sir Cherokee (15-1)
4. Atswhatimtalknbout (12-1)
5. Peace Rules (8-1)
6. Funny Cide (15-1)
7. Offlee Wild (30-1)
8. Buddy Gil (8-1)
9. Indian Express (12-1)
10. Lone Star Sky (50-1)
11. Domestic Dispute (30-1)
12. Empire Maker (6-5)
13. Eye of the Tiger (50-1)
14. Ten Cents a Shine (50-1)
15. Outta Here (50-1)
16. Ten Most Wanted (6-1)
17. Scrimshaw (15-1)

Trainers (by post position): 1, Emanuel Tortora. 2, Patrick Biancone. 3, Michael Tomlinson. 4, Ron Ellis. 5, Bobby Frankel. 6, Barclay Tagg. 7, T.V. Smith. 8, Jeff Mullins. 9, Bob Baffert. 10, Tom Amoss. 11, Patrick Gallagher. 12, Bobby Frankel. 13, Jerry Hollendorfer. 14, D. Wayne Lukas. 15, William Currin. 16, Wally Dollase. 17, D. Wayne Lukas.

Owners (by post position): 1, Bee Bee Stables and Jacqueline Tortora. 2, Michael Tabor. 3, Domino Stud of Lexington. 4, B. Wayne Hughes and Biscuit Stables. 5, Edmond Gann. 6, Sackatoga Stable. 7, Azalea Stables. 8, Desperado Stables, McFadden, Merrill Stables, et al. 9, Phil Chess. 10, Walter New. 11, David Bienstock and Chuck Winner. 12, Juddmonte Farm. 13, John Gunther. 14, Kenneth and Sarah Ramsey. 15, William Currin and Al Eisman. 16, Horizon Stable, et al. 17, Robert and Beverly Lewis.

Weights: 126 pounds. Distance: 1 ½ miles. Purse: $1,115,200 if 17 start. First place: $815,200. Second place: $170,000. Third place: $85,000. Fourth place: $45,000. Post time: 6:04 p.m. EDT.




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To: ewing
Is that Carol Moseley Braun in the blue?

Don't you know Al Sharpton when you see him?

61 posted on 05/03/2003 1:32:08 PM PDT by michigander
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To: michigander
'Peace Rules' vs. 'Empire Maker' too bad the broadcast wasn't on ABC so Peter Jennings could make an obvious comment..
62 posted on 05/03/2003 1:32:37 PM PDT by ewing
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To: michigander
They've got to move fast to get to South Carolina tonight..
63 posted on 05/03/2003 1:33:36 PM PDT by ewing
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To: ewing
'Peace Rules' vs. 'Empire Maker'

Very good! LOL!!

64 posted on 05/03/2003 1:35:02 PM PDT by michigander
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65 posted on 05/03/2003 1:35:34 PM PDT by ewing
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To: hole_n_one
I know this man will be watching!


66 posted on 05/03/2003 1:45:11 PM PDT by ewing
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To: ewing

Pie-O-My
67 posted on 05/03/2003 1:49:03 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: hole_n_one
http://DesMoinesRegister.com/sports/stories/c6902885/21165685.html
68 posted on 05/03/2003 2:02:20 PM PDT by ewing (Larry Eustachy paid his players cash to make free throws in games and practice -NCAA investigation)
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To: nwrep
Churchill Downs - May 3rd, 2003 - Race 10
Kentucky Derby - Grade: 1
Estimated Local Post Time:     6:04 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred race
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Purse: $1,000,000
Distance:One And One Fourth Miles
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse
Jockey
Owner
Age Sex Weight
Trainer
Breeder
Odds
1 Supah Blitz (FL)
Rosemary B. Homeister, Jr.
Bee Bee Stables, Inc & Jacqueline Tortora (John Bush)
3 Colt 126
Emanuel Tortora
Bee Bee Stables, Inc & Equitor, Inc
50/1
2 Brancusi (KY)
Tony Farina
Michael B Tabor
3 Colt 126
Patrick L. Biancone
Nancy Much
30/1
3 Sir Cherokee (KY)
Terry J. Thompson
Domino Stud Of Lexington, Inc (Ken Jones)
3 Colt 126
Michael A. Tomlinson
Domino Stud of Lexington, LLC
15/1
4 Atswhatimtalknbout (KY)
David Romero Flores
B Wayne Hughes & Biscuit Stables, LLC
3 Colt 126
Ronald W. Ellis
R&R King Stables
12/1
5 Peace Rules (FL)
Edgar S. Prado
Edmund A Gann
3 Colt 126
Robert J. Frankel
Newchance Farm
8/1
6 Funny Cide (NY)
Jose A. Santos
Sackatoga Stable (Jackson W Knowlton)
3 Gelding 126
Barclay Tagg
Win Star Farm, LLC
15/1
7 Offlee Wild (KY)
Robby Albarado
Azalea Stables, LLC (Lansdon B Robbins, Et Al)
3 Colt 126
Thomas Victor Smith
Dorothy A. Matz
30/1
8 Buddy Gil (KY)
Gary L. Stevens
Desperado Stables, Inc (Scott Guenther)
3 Gelding 126
Jeff Mullins
Billingsley Creek Ranch
8/1
9 Indian Express (UT)
Tyler Baze
Phil & Sheva Chess
3 Colt 126
Bob Baffert
Highland Farms, Inc.
12/1
10 Lone Star Sky (FL)
Shane J. Sellers
Walter L New
3 Colt 126
Thomas M. Amoss
Jaime S. Carrion
50/1
11 Domestic Dispute (KY)
Alex O. Solis
David Bienstock & Chuck Winner
3 Colt 126
Patrick Gallagher
Gary Garber
30/1
12 Empire Maker (KY)
Jerry D. Bailey
Juddmonte Farms (Khalid Abdullah)
3 Colt 126
Robert J. Frankel
Juddmonte Farms, Inc.
6/5
13 Eye of the Tiger (KY)
Eibar Coa
John D Gunther
3 Colt 126
Jerry Hollendorfer
John D. Gunther
50/1
14 Ten Cents a Shine (OH)
Calvin H. Borel
Kenneth L & Sarah K Ramsey
3 Colt 126
D. Wayne Lukas
H. Ray Horn & Devil His Due Syndicate
50/1
15 Outta Here (KY)
Kent J. Desormeaux
William Currin & Al Eisman
3 Colt 126
William L. Currin
Ralph C. Wilson, Jr. Trustee
50/1
16 Ten Most Wanted (KY)
Pat Day
James Chisholm, Michael Jarvis & J Paul Reddam
3 Colt 126
Wallace A. Dollase
Jim H. Plemmons
6/1
17 Scrimshaw (KY)
Cornelio H. Velasquez
Robert B & Beverly J Lewis
3 Colt 126
D. Wayne Lukas
Stan Stefanski & Ingrid Stefanski
Churchill Downs - May 3rd, 2003 - Race 10
Kentucky Derby - Grade: 1
Estimated Local Post Time:     6:04 PM
Race Type: Stakes
Breed: Thoroughbred race
Age Restriction: Three Year Old
Purse: $1,000,000
Distance:One And One Fourth Miles
Surface: Dirt
Post Horse
Jockey
Owner
Age Sex Weight
Trainer
Breeder
Odds
1 Supah Blitz (FL)
Rosemary B. Homeister, Jr.
Bee Bee Stables, Inc & Jacqueline Tortora (John Bush)
3 Colt 126
Emanuel Tortora
Bee Bee Stables, Inc & Equitor, Inc
50/1
2 Brancusi (KY)
Tony Farina
Michael B Tabor
3 Colt 126
Patrick L. Biancone
Nancy Much
30/1
3 Sir Cherokee (KY)
Terry J. Thompson
Domino Stud Of Lexington, Inc (Ken Jones)
3 Colt 126
Michael A. Tomlinson
Domino Stud of Lexington, LLC
15/1
4 Atswhatimtalknbout (KY)
David Romero Flores
B Wayne Hughes & Biscuit Stables, LLC
3 Colt 126
Ronald W. Ellis
R&R King Stables
12/1
5 Peace Rules (FL)
Edgar S. Prado
Edmund A Gann
3 Colt 126
Robert J. Frankel
Newchance Farm
8/1
6 Funny Cide (NY)
Jose A. Santos
Sackatoga Stable (Jackson W Knowlton)
3 Gelding 126
Barclay Tagg
Win Star Farm, LLC
15/1
7 Offlee Wild (KY)
Robby Albarado
Azalea Stables, LLC (Lansdon B Robbins, Et Al)
3 Colt 126
Thomas Victor Smith
Dorothy A. Matz
30/1
8 Buddy Gil (KY)
Gary L. Stevens
Desperado Stables, Inc (Scott Guenther)
3 Gelding 126
Jeff Mullins
Billingsley Creek Ranch
8/1
9 Indian Express (UT)
Tyler Baze
Phil & Sheva Chess
3 Colt 126
Bob Baffert
Highland Farms, Inc.
12/1
10 Lone Star Sky (FL)
Shane J. Sellers
Walter L New
3 Colt 126
Thomas M. Amoss
Jaime S. Carrion
50/1
11 Domestic Dispute (KY)
Alex O. Solis
David Bienstock & Chuck Winner
3 Colt 126
Patrick Gallagher
Gary Garber
30/1
12 Empire Maker (KY)
Jerry D. Bailey
Juddmonte Farms (Khalid Abdullah)
3 Colt 126
Robert J. Frankel
Juddmonte Farms, Inc.
6/5
13 Eye of the Tiger (KY)
Eibar Coa
John D Gunther
3 Colt 126
Jerry Hollendorfer
John D. Gunther
50/1
14 Ten Cents a Shine (OH)
Calvin H. Borel
Kenneth L & Sarah K Ramsey
3 Colt 126
D. Wayne Lukas
H. Ray Horn & Devil His Due Syndicate
50/1
15 Outta Here (KY)
Kent J. Desormeaux
William Currin & Al Eisman
3 Colt 126
William L. Currin
Ralph C. Wilson, Jr. Trustee
50/1
16 Ten Most Wanted (KY)
Pat Day
James Chisholm, Michael Jarvis & J Paul Reddam
3 Colt 126
Wallace A. Dollase
Jim H. Plemmons
6/1
17 Scrimshaw (KY)
Cornelio H. Velasquez
Robert B & Beverly J Lewis
3 Colt 126
D. Wayne Lukas
Stan Stefanski & Ingrid Stefanski

69 posted on 05/03/2003 2:03:22 PM PDT by Lokibob (my pick.........., atswhat #4)
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To: nwrep
OK - I bet on emotion, always, and after the great story they just ran about Indian Express and Laffit Pincay Jr, I would go for him, even if he wasn't a Baffert Horse.

But I just love Baffert.... Seals the deal...

I will be rooting for Indian Express.

Baffert turns to Baze to ride Indian Express
By Jim Armstrong, Denver Post Sports Writer
LOUISVILLE, Ky. - Things happen in a hurry in the thoroughbred racing industry. Two months ago, trainer Bob Baffert appeared destined to have Laffit Pincay Jr. and Victor Espinoza riding for him in the Kentucky Derby. Instead, he'll have 20-year-old Tyler Baze, who will be making his first Derby start in Saturday's race.

Pincay Jr., a Hall of Famer who won the '84 Derby aboard Swale, was forced to retire this week because of a broken neck sustained in a March 1 spill at Santa Anita. He had been scheduled to ride Indian Express - a horse purchased by Baffert on Pincay's recommendation - in the Derby.

Espinoza, who won the first two legs of the 2002 Triple Crown aboard War Emblem, was fired by Baffert after riding Derby hopeful Kafwain to a second-place finish in the Louisiana Derby. He was replaced by Patrick Valenzuela, whose comeback from drug and alcohol problems was going to be capped by his first Derby appearance in 10 years.

So what happens? Kafwain came up lame during a Tuesday workout and was scratched from the Derby, leaving Baze as Baffert's only hope. Not that Valenzuela didn't try to talk his way into the race. He went so far as to tell Baffert he could bring home Senor Swinger, a one-time Derby contender Baffert has entered in Friday's Churchill Downs card.

"He was very disappointed," Baffert said. "He was trying to talk me into running Senor Swinger in the Derby. He said, 'Hey, bro, put him in there, bro.' That's the way he talks."

When that ploy didn't work, Valenzuela switched to Plan B.

"He said, 'Hey, man, that kid, take him off,"' Baffert said. "I said, 'I can't take him off, it will ruin him.' He said, 'Ruin him? (D. Wayne) Lukas took me off Codex and put (Angel) Cordero on, and he won the Preakness. It didn't ruin me.' It's too bad. He really wanted to ride. Everybody wants to ride in the Derby. And the tough thing is he had a legitimate chance."

Longshot lookout

Since this is the Derby, a longshot has to win. Or so it seems. Which brings us to Scrimshaw, a Lukas colt that merits consideration. The colt underwent throat surgery in early March to clear a flap of loose cartilage from his windpipe, then proceeded to win the Lexington Stakes on April 19.

"It's like a near drowning," Lukas said. "After a near drowning, you get thrown in the deep end and you're not sure you can handle it. He knows now that it's fine."

By the numbers

If anyone knows how to pull off a longshot, it's Lukas. The average price of his Triple Crown wins: $19.20.

Short stuff

Media magnet Baffert, on the difficulty of maintaining perspective during Derby Week: "Everything you say is printed, so you think you're smarter. That's why all these celebrities want to save the world: because they know it's going to be in print." ... Funny Cide, second in the Wood Memorial, arrived in Louisville on Wednesday after training at Belmont Park in New York. ... Empire Maker, a 6-5 favorite after Wednesday's post-position drawing, is the most prohibitive favorite since Arazi went off at .90-1 in 1992. ... Lukas, when asked by a New York Post reporter what he thought about Empire Maker's injury: "I don't think anything of it, because it's not my horse. I've had bruised feet before, but I have no idea what this is. I'm not going there. Not with a New York writer, anyway."


70 posted on 05/03/2003 2:38:48 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life.)
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On Kentucky Derby Day, I take time to remember my very favorite race horse. I remember being just a kid and in love with horses, and watching ONE PARTICULAR HORSE go.

I remember bawling non-stop last year when he died on Derby day. There was an hour long memorial about him on TV, bringing us up to speed on what he had been up to in his retirement, and the heartbreak of watching him stumble when his back went out just walking through the barnyard on the film. [snif]

And it is heartening to know that he was loved... for his heart, and not only his income.


Seattle Slew, winning 1977 Kentucky Derby

Seattle Slew dies on 25th anniversary of Derby win



LEXINGTON, Ky. -- Seattle Slew, who won the 1977 Triple Crown and became one of racing's greatest sires, died in his stall May 7 at the relatively advanced age of 28.

The big, black stallion's death came on the 25th anniversary of his Kentucky Derby victory. He followed by winning the Preakness Stakes and Belmont Stakes to sweep the sport's most prestigious series.

Seattle Slew was the only living Triple Crown winner. Affirmed, who became the 11th and last Triple Crown winner in 1978, died in January 2001 at 26.

Slew died in his sleep at Hill 'n' Dale Farm, where he recently was moved after a second operation on his spine, the farm said.

"He was the most complete thoroughbred the industry has seen. He just kept raising the bar with every record he broke," owner Mickey Taylor said.

Slew, who won 14 of 17 races and earned $1,208,726, had been ailing the past two years with arthritis and underwent two delicate spinal fusion operations.<

Last month, Slew was a bit wobbly after the second surgery, which was to "normalize," him, Taylor said. The first one, the owner said last month during an interview, "saved his life."

Bought for a bargain-basement $17,500 by Taylor, a former lumberman from Washington, and former partner, Jim Hill, Slew sired 102 stakes winners. They include 1984 Kentucky Derby winner Swale, A.P. Indy, Capote and Slew o' Gold, and have earned more than $75 million in purses.

Taylor, who moved to Lexington two years ago with his wife, Karen, to be near Slew, was with the horse when he was pronounced dead. Slew spent his years of retirement at Spendthrift Farm, then spent the last 17 years at Three Chimneys in Midway, Ky., before arriving at Hill 'n' Dale on April 1.

Slew will be buried beneath a statue in a courtyard at Hill 'n' Dale, a 319-acre farm near Keeneland.

"He had the greatest heart. He was a fighter to the end," Karen Taylor said.

On Saturday at Churchill Downs, Karen Taylor and Jean Cruguet, Slew's jockey, presented a trophy after the Derby day's first race -- the Seattle Slew Tribute.

"It was a privilege to be on a horse like that," Cruguet said Tuesday from Keeneland. "On the biggest days, he won the biggest races. He had a good life, he did everything a horse could do."

Slew was moved to Hill 'n' Dale, a quieter farm, because he was too close to the breeding shed and it caused him to become agitated when mares arrived, Mickey Taylor said.

In an interview last week with The Associated Press, Slew's trainer Billy Turner called the colt one of the toughest to hit the race track.

"I knew I had a horse who was different from the rest," Turner said. "I knew when you see a horse go that fast with no effort, that's different. He was a good student with tremendous energy and phenomenal ability. All I had to do was control it. ... He had blinding speed and burning determination. My job was to get him to accept competition and other horses."

Slew's retirement in 1978 at age 4 seemed premature, but his career as a stallion was infinitely more lucrative. The Taylors made a fortune breeding Slew, earning fees well over $100,000 per mare. After Slew's first surgery, he was pulled from the breeding line, but he was back in business last year, with 43 of 46 mares in foal. His last breeding session was Feb. 23.

Mickey Taylor described Slew's walk recently, saying: "He looks like a crab, a bad crab," when his front legs go one way and his hind legs another.

But he sure could run in his heyday. He won his first six races and had never trailed heading to the Derby. When the gates opened for the Derby, Slew smacked the gate and slammed into a horse next to him. Ridden by Cruguet, Slew regained his stride and by the time the field hit the first turn, he was well on his way to a 1¾-length victory.

In the Preakness Stakes, he was briefly second early on, but won by 1½ lengths. The Belmont was a start-to-finish celebration, with Cruguet standing in the irons and pointing his whip skyward just before Slew crossed the finish line four lengths in front.

"He was the fastest horse I ever rode," Cruguet said last month. "Maybe not the greatest, but he was a speed demon. Wouldn't let anyone ahead of him. He was a miler, but had great heart to finish first no matter what the distance."

At 4, Slew had a new rider in Angel Cordero and new trainer in Doug Peterson. He also went out in style, beating Affirmed in the '78 Marlboro Cup at Belmont Park and capping his career with a victory in the Stuyvesant Handicap at Aqueduct.

Hill 'n' Dale owner John Sikura was proud to have Slew at his farm.

"It was one of the great privileges to be around something great, a feeling that will likely never be duplicated," he said. "He was one in a million, and showed us there is that possibility in a game of impossibilities."

Seattle Slew
February 15, 1974 – May 7, 2002
Triple Crown winner
Winner of 14 of 17 starts.


Secretariat... another great


71 posted on 05/03/2003 2:40:44 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
Watching as usual. I love the Derby!

My choices (based purely on name):

Empire Builder
Ten Most Wanted
Peace Rules
Lone Star Sky

No particular favorites among the four. Off to watch, now!

72 posted on 05/03/2003 2:44:05 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'll have my mint julep in a pint!
73 posted on 05/03/2003 2:52:33 PM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Samwise
Ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww...
74 posted on 05/03/2003 2:54:58 PM PDT by Severa (Wife of Freeper Hostel, USN Active Duty Submariner)
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To: Miss Marple; Samwise
May they all run a safe race, May Indian Express just run it a little faster!

Bob Baffert.... He is just so cool.

75 posted on 05/03/2003 3:00:43 PM PDT by HairOfTheDog (It is no bad thing to celebrate a simple life.)
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To: HairOfTheDog
I'm betting on Ten Most Wanted.

Cheers!
76 posted on 05/03/2003 3:04:09 PM PDT by Samwise (There are other forces at work in this world, Frodo, besides the will of evil.)
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To: Miss Marple
Hi, MM.....I always bet on Pat Day. He won a lot of money for me one year. Of course it was only 6 bucks in a family pool. But, I was considered a genius because he was on a horse no one gave much chance to win.

Anyway, I like his name because it sounds Irish, LOL!

Names are my only qualifications for picking horses.

Leni

77 posted on 05/03/2003 3:04:44 PM PDT by MinuteGal (THIS JUST IN ! Astonishing fare reduction for FReeps Ahoy Cruise! Check it out, pronto!)
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To: Lokibob
FUNNYSIDE
78 posted on 05/03/2003 3:11:31 PM PDT by nwrep
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The finish...


79 posted on 05/03/2003 3:11:38 PM PDT by hole_n_one
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To: nwrep
It's not the same without "And DOWN the stretch they come!"
80 posted on 05/03/2003 3:12:21 PM PDT by Timesink
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