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Clinton: China or Europe Will Replace U.S. as Top Power
NewsMax.com ^ | 5/02/03 | Carl Limbacher and NewsMax.com Staff

Posted on 05/02/2003 3:22:21 PM PDT by kattracks

Ex-president Bill Clinton predicted this week that either Communist China, which helped bankroll his 1996 reelection campaign with hundreds of thousands of dollars in illegal contributions, or the European Union, would replace the United States as the world's number one power within the next 30 years.

"In all probability, we won't be the premier political and economic power we are now," Clinton told the Washington Post in an interview from Mexico on Thursday. Saying the shift would occur within "a few decades," the ex-president cited the growth of China's economy and Europe's already formidable economy as factors that would doom continued U.S. supremacy.

Clinton said the question of whether China or Europe would replace the United States depended on how their respective governments invested in military might. While Europe's defense investment has been minimal since World War II, China now has the fastest growing military budget in the world.

In 1996, the Clinton administration approved the transfer to Beijing of key missile guidance technology which enabled China to hit most major U.S. cities with its intercontinental ballistic missile fleet.

Clinton offered his prediction to the Post in an attempt to clarify comments he made to an Australian audience in February, where he warned "This is a unique moment in U.S. history, a brief moment in history, when the U.S. has preeminent military, economic and political power. It won't last forever. This is just a period, a few decades this will last."

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KEYWORDS: china; clinton; eu; superpower; treason
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To: breakem
the Chinese have all the growth potential in the world and only themselves to blame if it doesn't materialize.

Have you been to China before?

181 posted on 05/03/2003 12:56:28 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: Dr. Frank
People are often too mesmerized by population statistics.

Yes.

Why aren't these same people all talking about it being India's century etc etc? In their minds there is something mystical and magical about China.

182 posted on 05/03/2003 3:28:14 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: breakem
Do you think WalMart is bailing on China.

You are leaving out a whole lot of stuff that can seriously alter the landscape.

Companies buy from China because of a game of relativity with other Asian countries as well as the US. Within the current framework China is cheaper. Emphasis on the 'within the current framework'.

What if the current framework changes?

1. The Chinese currency is seriously undervalued. What happens if the price gets corrected, even 5 years later? The price of goods (to the US importer) jumps about 40%+

2. What happens if we sign free trade deals with all of the Asian competition, such as Korea, Singapore, Taiwan, etc?

As it stands, trade is taxed by the exporting country, then you have all kinds of other things to spend money on ie govt related obstacles, then you have shipping, and import tax, and all other kinds of tax on the US company.

If Congress passed one law giving tax benefits to country X, Y, or Z, China would lose out.

In short though, between 30% and 75% of the wholesale cost of a product is in the form of govt regulation, taxation etc. And that is not all the US govt. In other words, a $10,000 product would actually cost $17,500 to purchase and import.

With a FTA, such as the one we are going to sign with Singapore next week, most of those barriers go away.

If the competition has an FTA with the market, but China doesn't who wins? Given the right conditions, not China.

Just those two things alone, 1. the currency pressure to revaluate, and 2. shifts in the global system can throw a real wrinkle into China's plan. Just with those two things though, China has serious upward pressure on them, and the other Asian countries have serious opportunity for downward pressure. Labor costs are a very small part of the system. In this scenario the competitive advantages might be too much for corporate America to pass up.

Just figure this: what is the difference between a 40% increase in the prices of Chinese goods (to US importers) and a (lets just estimate) 25% decrease in the prices of products from elsewhere in Asia?

So, in other words, I would venture to say, that Wal Mart, and most likely quite a few others will start to shy away from China over the next few (5) years.

183 posted on 05/03/2003 3:57:08 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: breakem
Look for a creeping change, not a market shock. It won't be an overnighter for sure, just a shift in the competitive landscape.
184 posted on 05/03/2003 3:59:49 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: breakem
I believe it will be China's century unless they mismanage their economy.

You probably were one of those in the late 80s/early 90s who thought Japan would overtake us, weren't you? You really believe in a managed economy, don't you? If so, the losers club welcomes you.

185 posted on 05/03/2003 4:12:47 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Dead Dog
You know you are dealing with a pure socialist when they consider one's gain another's loss. A strong EU and China only mean better trading partners and a stronger US. They can't beat us without becoming us.

Brilliant! And if they become us, how great would that be? Many, many problems solved!!! Did you also forsee the fall of Japan, in the early 90s, due to crony capitalism? How many were predicting the century of the Rising Sun ?

I absolutely couldn't agree with you more. Free markets all around!

186 posted on 05/03/2003 4:19:43 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: kattracks
This is great news!

Clinton has concisely articulated the current Democratic party's vision for the future of the USA!

If that doesn't do them in among American voters for once and for all, nothing will!

It's vital that the USA be the preeminent political, economic, and military power on the planet, and the Demoncrats are perfectly willing to abandon that survival imperative.

Believe me folks, 30 years is a VERY short time....
187 posted on 05/03/2003 4:21:03 PM PDT by Bobsat
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To: breakem
...mismanage their economy. No, it will be very tiny critters aka VIRUS which will do China in. China does not have the infra-structure to control pandemics. Hygene and over crowding are very serious issues in China.
188 posted on 05/03/2003 4:22:07 PM PDT by desertcry
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To: MadIvan
Unless China moves to a more enlightened system of government, there is no chance they will be able to compete with America's stable laws and trading systems.

Nor our biggest actual advantage, (comparitavely) free markets and the right to property.

189 posted on 05/03/2003 4:24:33 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: demlosers
IMHO, The U.S. has been the pre-eminate power for over 100 years. Even when the U.S. and the rest of the world didn't know it.

Since the end of WWI, at a minimum.

190 posted on 05/03/2003 4:27:19 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: kattracks
The EU and China are basically aristocratic soeieties, which is left over from their beginnings as monarchies. Their citizens distrust each other an believe the way to get ahead is, basically, to screw somebody else.

America is none of that. Our greatest treasures are the Declaration of Independence from Jefferson, and the example of Washington who refused the crown and left office after 8 years. Washingon did as much for our behavior as Jefferson did for our intellect.

That we've never succumbed to tyrannts is our greatest advantage.

191 posted on 05/03/2003 4:38:01 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: kattracks
Clinton's anti-American and pro-socialist comments are designed to win him the top job at the UN. It would be funny to see Clinton become head of the UN during the Bush years and then have Bush kick the UN out of the US and most probably the UN would shut down for good. I think Clinton has dementia brought on by an advanced case of either syphillis or AIDS.
192 posted on 05/03/2003 4:44:34 PM PDT by Contra
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To: ffusco
The Euros and Chinese have no morals - so how will they beat us.

Hopefully you're not in a leadership position.

193 posted on 05/03/2003 4:48:51 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: kattracks
Clinton certainly used his power as President to do his damndest to head this prediction toward fruition. Pity the world if this actually happens. THe only freedom,mercy and human dignity for masses of humanity, arrived with the establishment of the United States, and will end when or if the USA ever is reduced to less than the world leader.
194 posted on 05/03/2003 4:53:53 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (THe weapons are there and will be found-show the searches half the patience shown the hiders)
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To: Dr. Frank
I don't know, but I do know that when I try to pin down all the "China will overtake us" people, the only real substantial thing they are basing this on is the fact that China has lots and lots of people.

My guess is they'll also throw in that the Chinese are also quite intelligent. Of course, they'd need to expalin why they've been so ineffective thus far.

195 posted on 05/03/2003 4:54:09 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: kattracks
That Son of a Witch did what he could to make China the ##1 Super Power. It would please him and Jimmie Carter for this to happen. Why would someone ever vote for this no good slime ball?
196 posted on 05/03/2003 4:56:41 PM PDT by auggy (http://home.bellsouth.net/p/PWP-DownhomeKY)
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To: clyde asbury
It used to be that **Japan** was going to replace us as the dominant power. Their economy has been in recession now for a decade, with no end in sight.

That's because they hoodwinked our socialist press with their "crony capitalism." Our stupid socialists, actually believed Japan's form of managed economy would outperform free markets. Of course, they believed that about New Zealand and Sweden as well. When will they learn?

197 posted on 05/03/2003 4:59:48 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: Dead Dog
"They can't beat us without becoming us."

For a Dead Dog, you make a lot of scents,.......I mean sense, SENSE!
198 posted on 05/03/2003 5:01:15 PM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (THe devil made me say that-sorry.)
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To: Charliehorse
Europe is too saddled with socialism to be much of a threat.

Of course a socialist like Clinton wouldn't realize that, now would he?

199 posted on 05/03/2003 5:04:40 PM PDT by laredo44
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To: kattracks
I hate that sucker!!
200 posted on 05/03/2003 5:06:34 PM PDT by discipler
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