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To: MindBender26
"Those rights innure to us as long as we follow a set of civil codes, called laws. Break them, and you lose rights reserved for the lawful."

I could not find innure in the dictionary. I did find inure.

The definition of "inure" is,

"To habituate to someting undesirable..."

I think you are trying to say, that our "rights" are only applicable to us as individuals "as long as we follow a ser of civil codes, called laws."

I hope not.

This would mean your 4th (unlawful search and seizure), 5th (no self-incrimination), 6th (speedy trial), and 8th (no excessive, cruel and unusual punishment) would not apply if you are prior convicted felon or for that matter if you have been accused of violating "civil codes, called laws."

I suggest you rethink your position and get back to me.

Rights are inalienable, read the preamble.

Laws cannot trump rights. Rights are not negotiable, subject to political whims, or not absolute.

If you believe otherwise, the socialist/communist over the years have gotten to you.

The closes constitutional justification for losing a "right" is in the 5th amendment:

"...nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law."

But it is inconsistent and intellectually feeble to state that only one enumerated right is denied (2nd amendment) after a felony conviction but all of the other enumerated rights, in particular 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th, which are all individual rights, are not denied as well.

66 posted on 04/30/2003 6:36:09 AM PDT by tahiti
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To: tahiti
Rights are inalienable, read the preamble.

The preamble to what? Here's the Preamble to the Constitution of the United States:

We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

No usage of "inalienable rights" here. There is in the Declaration of Independence, but while that document has great moral force, it has no legal force.

131 posted on 04/30/2003 7:48:22 AM PDT by RonF
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To: tahiti
But it is inconsistent and intellectually feeble to state that only one enumerated right is denied (2nd amendment) after a felony conviction but all of the other enumerated rights, in particular 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th, which are all individual rights, are not denied as well

Rights are far from absolute!

(Now that's enough to scare most of us Conservatives, until we look at the reality of the situation)

Like it or not, as a civilized society, we routinely give up certain rights.

For example, the freedom of speech dooes not give us the right to cry "fire" in a crowded theater, to make jokes about bombs on aircraft, to make fraudulent statements in the pursuit of profit, etc.

Convicted criminals lose the right of free assembly, (being in jail or even afterwards in associating with other known criminals) as do school students, (you can't just walk out of class and into the hallway.)

The 2d Ammendment does not give you, (or the Al Quida terroist down the block,) the right to possess nuclear weapons. Freedom of the Press does not give the convicted child molester working for the local paper the right to take photographs of my 12 year old daughter and photomanipulate them onto the body of a nude woman having sex, then publish them.

I'm an NRA Life Member (Charlton says Hi!) and carry my Glock most everywhere, but am glad the 2d Amemdment does not give some psychotic the right to park in front of your house with a M2 .50 cal Browning HMG pointed at your daughter's window.

The concept of "rights" being absolute begins to have trouble when you realize that absolute means exactly that, and they apply to your enemies, the sick, the criminal, etc., not just us.

137 posted on 04/30/2003 7:52:50 AM PDT by MindBender26 (For more news as it happens, stay tuned to your local FReeper station.........)
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To: tahiti
But it is inconsistent and intellectually feeble to state that only one enumerated right is denied (2nd amendment) after a felony conviction but all of the other enumerated rights, in particular 1st, 4th, 5th, 6th, 8th, and 9th, which are all individual rights, are not denied as well.

As far as I know their only one right which can be denied on the ground of crime - it is right to be free from the servitute and slavery - according to the Thirteenth Amendment :

"Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction."

263 posted on 04/30/2003 2:55:22 PM PDT by A. Pole
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