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The Dini-gration of Darwinism
AgapePress ^ | April 29, 2003 | Mike S. Adams

Posted on 04/29/2003 10:43:39 AM PDT by Remedy

Texas Tech University biology professor Michael Dini recently came under fire for refusing to write letters of recommendation for students unable to "truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer" to the following question: "How do you think the human species originated?"

For asking this question, Professor Dini was accused of engaging in overt religious discrimination. As a result, a legal complaint was filed against Dini by the Liberty Legal Institute. Supporters of the complaint feared that consequences of the widespread adoption of Dini’s requirement would include a virtual ban of Christians from the practice of medicine and other related fields.

In an effort to defend his criteria for recommendation, Dini claimed that medicine was first rooted in the practice of magic. Dini said that religion then became the basis of medicine until it was replaced by science. After positing biology as the science most important to the study of medicine, he also posited evolution as the "central, unifying principle of biology" which includes both micro- and macro-evolution, which applies to all species.

In addition to claiming that someone who rejects the most important theory in biology cannot properly practice medicine, Dini suggested that physicians who ignore or neglect Darwinism are prone to making bad clinical decisions. He cautioned that a physician who ignores data concerning the scientific origins of the species cannot expect to remain a physician for long. He then rhetorically asked the following question: "If modern medicine is based on the method of science, then how can someone who denies the theory of evolution -- the very pinnacle of modern biological science -- ask to be recommended into a scientific profession by a professional scientist?"

In an apparent preemptive strike against those who would expose the weaknesses of macro-evolution, Dini claimed that "one can validly refer to the ‘fact’ of human evolution, even if all of the details are not yet known." Finally, he cautioned that a good scientist "would never throw out data that do not conform to their expectations or beliefs."

The legal aspect of this controversy ended this week with Dini finally deciding to change his recommendation requirements. But that does not mean it is time for Christians to declare victory and move on. In fact, Christians should be demanding that Dini’s question be asked more often in the court of public opinion. If it is, the scientific community will eventually be indicted for its persistent failure to address this very question in scientific terms.

Christians reading this article are already familiar with the creation stories found in the initial chapters of Genesis and the Gospel of John. But the story proffered by evolutionists to explain the origin of the species receives too little attention and scrutiny. In his two most recent books on evolution, Phillip Johnson gives an account of evolutionists’ story of the origin of the human species which is similar to the one below:

In the beginning there was the unholy trinity of the particles, the unthinking and unfeeling laws of physics, and chance. Together they accidentally made the amino acids which later began to live and to breathe. Then the living, breathing entities began to imagine. And they imagined God. But then they discovered science and then science produced Darwin. Later Darwin discovered evolution and the scientists discarded God.

Darwinists, who proclaim themselves to be scientists, are certainly entitled to hold this view of the origin of the species. But that doesn’t mean that their view is, therefore, scientific. They must be held to scientific standards requiring proof as long as they insist on asking students to recite these verses as a rite of passage into their "scientific" discipline.

It, therefore, follows that the appropriate way to handle professors like Michael Dini is not to sue them but, instead, to demand that they provide specific proof of their assertion that the origin of all species can be traced to primordial soup. In other words, we should pose Dr. Dini’s question to all evolutionists. And we should do so in an open public forum whenever the opportunity presents itself.

Recently, I asked Dr. Dini for that proof. He didn’t respond.

Dini’s silence as well as the silence of other evolutionists speaks volumes about the current status of the discipline of biology. It is worth asking ourselves whether the study of biology has been hampered by the widespread and uncritical acceptance of Darwinian principles. To some observers, its study has largely become a hollow exercise whereby atheists teach other atheists to blindly follow Darwin without asking any difficult questions.

At least that seems to be the way things have evolved.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creatins; creation; crevo; crevolist; darwin; evoloonists; evolunacy; evolution
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To: Stultis
Creation by God is a violation of the biogenetic law. So is the chemical evolution of life from non-life. Everybody agrees that the biogenetic law has been violated at some point. I'm sorry if this destroys one of your favored pat formulas, but deal with it.

But aren't you just saying all theories of origin start from a miracle? This does not freak out or disprove the God-people's position (they are from the realm of miracles) but it does throw a monkey wretch into the works for the pure-science-based crowd.

Some people freak out at the work miracle - many another word would work better

1,221 posted on 05/19/2003 10:06:01 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Dataman
You improperly assume that the law existed before creation. The law could not have existed before the universe was created. Therefore the law could not be violated by the act of creation. On the other hand, the materialist must offer an explanation that fits within his world view. It has yet to be done.

Well put!!!

I try to say this but I get ramblely

You just said it clearly and concisely

1,222 posted on 05/19/2003 10:08:23 AM PDT by Last Visible Dog
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To: Last Visible Dog
But aren't you just saying all theories of origin start from a miracle?

No. I am "just" saying this, and nothing more: At some point(s), as the result of some act(s) or some process(es), life originated without preceeding from pre-existing biologcial life.

Despite the comic arm-waving, back-patting, and attempting to define the problem away by dataman, and you and others in recent messages, everyone agrees with that.

Good Lord, the silly trivia you guys will argue over to preserve some stupid little formulaic debating canard!

1,223 posted on 05/19/2003 10:31:48 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Dataman
Phaedrus lays bare some of the most ridiculous evo positions and rather than admit exposure you claim he has been defeated.

Let me see if I understand this. Ichneumon posted a somewhat scathing and very detailed analysis and rebuttal of Phaedrus's comments, pointing out how much of what Phaedrus stated was distraction, distortion or flat-out dishonesty. Now you claim that Phaedrus has not been defeated, even though Phaedrus's only response was to handwave away the explanations offered and claim that it was just too long to address? Do you just ignore the posts that soundly defeat your assertions, pretending that they aren't there so that you can pretend that no one has offered and intelligent response, thus you can trick yourself into believing that you're not lying when you claim that your opponents provide nothing but ad hominem?
1,224 posted on 05/19/2003 10:32:49 AM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Last Visible Dog
one would be a fool to dismiss the possibility of God.

This is an odd statement. Are you speaking of a specific "God"? If not, then you should word your statements more carefully so as to imply a general term rather than a specific deity.
1,225 posted on 05/19/2003 10:38:09 AM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: Dimensio
Post #447 placemarker.
1,226 posted on 05/19/2003 10:53:12 AM PDT by Lurking Libertarian (Non sub homine, sed sub Deo et lege)
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To: Dimensio
Do you just ignore the posts that soundly defeat your assertions, pretending that they aren't there so that you can pretend that no one has offered and intelligent response, thus you can trick yourself into believing that you're not lying when you claim that your opponents provide nothing but ad hominem?

Let me remind you that I used to be on your side. Self-deceit was the thing that kept me there. Once I really started thinking about the issues and not blindly accepting the darwinian indoctrination, the scales fell off. IOW blinders led me to darwinism, thinking led me away from it.

1,227 posted on 05/19/2003 10:55:27 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: Last Visible Dog; Stultis
The word "miracle," to me, implies the supernatural. The word "supernatural," to me, implies that which is not natural. Call me a heathen, a materialist, a naturalist, an antheist, whateverist, but supernatural miracles are outside the realm of what I can accept. This is a rational and fair position, to me, for one to take.

Yes, as Stultis said, at some point at sometime, somewhere, life rose from non-life, but there is so much gray area as to what constitutes life and non-life, especially in a pre-biotic world, that pinpointing just how it happened is most difficult to do. I can assure you, life did not arise from "a rock" as dataman asserts someone like me would would believe. Just as I can't fathom anyone would believe a fully formed adult man just sprang into being, from who's rib sprang a fully formed adult woman.

I'll take the "gray area, life/non-life" argument any old day, and I'm certainly not afraid to suggest that I don't have the answer. Was is aliens? Was is God? Which God(s)? Was is a boring old eons long natural process? The jury is out, but I would agree that emerging fields of study are certainly pointing to the boring old natural explanation.
1,228 posted on 05/19/2003 10:55:56 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke; Last Visible Dog
The word "miracle," to me, implies the supernatural. The word "supernatural," to me, implies that which is not natural. Call me a heathen, a materialist, a naturalist, an antheist, whateverist, but supernatural miracles are outside the realm of what I can accept. This is a rational and fair position, to me, for one to take.

Very good attempt at equivocation: There are natural miracles and there are supernatural miracles.

Even if I were to grant your fallacy, you'd still be in the quicksand since supernatural miracles require God(and reasonably so) while natural miracles require the absence of all things- which has evolved into its own deity: the Great Nothing (an entirely unreasonable position).

1,229 posted on 05/19/2003 11:01:59 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: Stultis
--If I may butt in, it warrants more than "skimming". --

No it doesn't. This is not high school biology; it is a message board. Anything over two screens worth of post gets skimmed - even Medved's stuff. If something piques my interest, I'll read the whole thing. You don't understand that a lot of this (most of it) is rehash for me.

Sure there are crucial points. and I'ver argued them ad-nausium months and years ago. It's time for me to move on, but you guys really should debate it until you also find something better to do.
1,230 posted on 05/19/2003 11:03:45 AM PDT by Not Insane
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To: Dataman
Ah, but God specifically created life from non-life (from the dust of the Earth, to be precise). Now, on the whole, this is not terribly unlike one or more of the current theories of biogenesis.
1,231 posted on 05/19/2003 11:05:05 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Last Visible Dog
My position on this is: there is so much evidence related to biological evolution that one would be a fool to try and dismissed it all AND there is so little evidence related to cosmological theories that one would be a fool to dismiss the possibility of God.

I'm quite interested in what some of the others here would say to this, Dataman, biblewonk, ALS. I think you'd find that I agree with this statement way more than they would.

I certainly can not disprove god, and I would never give credence to anyone who says they can. It's lunacy and a waste of time.
1,232 posted on 05/19/2003 11:06:12 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: Dataman
So the materialist claim that life came from a rock is no different than the creationist claim that life came from God? Nice work, guys!

Once again, God formed man from the Earth (i.e., "rock").

1,233 posted on 05/19/2003 11:06:16 AM PDT by Junior (Computers make very fast, very accurate mistakes.)
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To: Dataman
There are natural miracles and there are supernatural miracles.

Could you please define the difference? Examples even?
1,234 posted on 05/19/2003 11:08:45 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
does post 1-2-3-4 count for anything?
1,235 posted on 05/19/2003 11:36:26 AM PDT by whattajoke
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To: whattajoke
Placemarker for me
1,236 posted on 05/19/2003 11:40:44 AM PDT by Aric2000 (Are you on Grampa Dave's team? I am!! $5 a month is all it takes, come join!!!)
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To: Junior
Ah, but God specifically created life from non-life (from the dust of the Earth, to be precise).


1,237 posted on 05/19/2003 11:43:24 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: whattajoke
There are natural miracles and there are supernatural miracles.

Could you please define the difference? Examples even?

I contend there is no difference. I was not making the distinction. Equivocators who wish to support such a blatantly illogical position may feel free to do so.

1,238 posted on 05/19/2003 11:48:42 AM PDT by Dataman
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To: Dataman
I contend there is no difference. I was not making the distinction.

Uh, yes you were. You introduced the notion (whatever it means) of supernatural vs supernatural miracles in #1129.

1,239 posted on 05/19/2003 11:58:14 AM PDT by Stultis
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To: Dataman
Sorry, make that 1229.
1,240 posted on 05/19/2003 11:59:02 AM PDT by Stultis
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