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Parsis (Zoroastrians) split over marriage rule
BBC ^ | 4/21/03 | BBC

Posted on 04/23/2003 8:00:10 PM PDT by freedom44

They have decreed that any Parsi man marrying outside the community will cease to be recognised as one of its members.

Originally from Iran, the Parsis practice Zorastrianism.

There are only 130,000 Parsis left around the world, of whom about 55,000 reside in India's financial capital, Bombay, or Mumbai.

New rule

Parsi women have for years been threatened with excommunication if they marry outside the community but now this rule has been extended to men.

Their families, too, will not be initiated into the community if they marry out of it.

The only good thing about this resolution is that the high priests can no longer be accused of being sexist!

Bergis Desai is a Parsi lawyer in Bombay.

He wife is a Sindhi and Mr Desai will therefore no longer be recognised as a Parsi.

His children will not be initiated into the community - nor will they be allowed into the fire temple, the Parsis' place of worship.

He says the resolution is without any legal, moral or ecclesiastical validity.

"I also happen to be a fully ordained priest myself and have performed the Navjot - our religious ceremony that marks the initiation of a child into the community - of a lot of children of inter-married Zoroastrians," he says.

"I will continue to do so even after the resolution and nothing can be done about it. The only good thing about this resolution is that the high priests can no longer be accused of being sexist!"

Divided community

The Parsi community is one of India's more progressive minorities.

Some of the country's top business families - like the Tatas, Godrejs and the Wadias - are Parsis, as is renowned orchestra conductor Zubin Mehta.

Rock band Queen's famous lead singer, the late Freddie Mercury, was also a Parsi.

The clergy wants to preserve the community

However, the Parsis are a very closed society and conservative in their religious beliefs.

This paradox has often led to conflicts within the tiny community.

Conservative Parsis says inter-marriages should have been stopped a long time ago to preserve their numbers.

On the other hand, liberal Parsis say if the clergy continues to turn away those who are already a part of the community, as well as refusing to accept new people into the fold, there won't be a community to speak of in the long run, let alone one to preserve.

Feroz Kotwal is the Parsi high priest of Bombay and one of the seven leaders that passed the new resolution.

He says inter-marriage is not the remedy for increasing community numbers.

"As a Parsi high priest, my first duty is to preserve the community and the religion.

"We look to Parsis who uphold Zoroastrian virtues, values and principles. If we throw open our doors through inter-marriage to all communities, all our traditions, identity, characteristics, everything will go to the winds," he says.

'Dying race'

Surprisingly, the young generation is as divided on the issue.

What's the point in telling people to stop indulging in inter-caste marriages when, in some cases, that's the only option they have?

Jehangir Patel Urvaksh Mobedji, 21, says Parsis have a responsibility towards preserving the community and should therefore marry within it.

Freisha works as a producer in a local radio station and is dating a boy born of a Parsi father and non-Parsi mother.

She says this resolution is very unfair because she is being asked to choose between her religion and her boyfriend.

"I think it's sad that my religion tells me if I want to be truthful to my faith then I must marry a Parsi boy.

"As it is we are a dying race and the community, instead of accepting both of us into the fold as Parsis, is turning us away - that's another two Parsis less in number."

Jehangir Patel is the editor of Parsiana magazine, a monthly publication on the international Zoroastrian community.

He says this resolution is an unnecessary, retrograde step that has opened old wounds.

The Parsis are one of Bombay's oldest communities (Picture: Parsiana magazine) Many Parsis will continue to marry outside the community not out of a sense of rebellion but due to a shortage of eligible partners, he says.

"We have a small community and it's getting smaller in number. In Bombay itself every third Parsi is marrying outside the community.

"The number is bound to be higher in other parts of India and the world where there aren't enough Parsis. So what's the point in telling people to stop indulging in inter-caste marriages when, in some cases, that's the only option they have?"

Most Parsis think this resolution will not stop people wanting to marry outside the community from doing so.

However, it has raised important questions regarding the identity of a Parsi and the continuity of the dwindling Zoroastrian race, for which the community has no answers.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: faithandphilosophy; india; kurdistan; parsi; zorastrianism; zoroastrianism; zoroastrians
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Iranian Zoroastrians who fled the Barbaric Islamic invasions from Arabia in 6th century a.d. fled to west India and were named 'Parsis' by the Indians.

A major err of the Zoroastrians is that they don't accept converts to the religion and never persued expanding their religion even by peaceful means.

1 posted on 04/23/2003 8:00:11 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: Doctor Stochastic; SJackson; knighthawk; McGavin999; Stultis; river rat; Live free or die; ...
on or off iran ping
2 posted on 04/23/2003 8:00:54 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
I've always been fasinated by the high regard in which the Jews held Cyrus...Being that he was a Zarathustrian.

It's a very interesting Religion. The book of Shet the Prophet Zirtusht (attributed as Zarathustra) from the Desatir, is a powerful fable.

3 posted on 04/23/2003 8:08:02 PM PDT by Psycho_Bunny
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To: freedom44
Their dead are put on scaffolds and crows remove every-
thing except the bones.
4 posted on 04/23/2003 8:23:53 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ( Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
It's the 21st Century, their bodies are cremated now.
Although that was custom in order to perserve the earth.


5 posted on 04/23/2003 8:26:10 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
I visited India in 95 and saw some of the scaffolds.
I am glad for a strong stomach.
I just looked it up and it us vultures not crows.
6 posted on 04/23/2003 8:35:24 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ( Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Really? How strange. I know they don't do that anymore in Iran actually it stopped hundreds of years ago.

I still think it's quite interesting.
7 posted on 04/23/2003 9:01:12 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
I don't believe they were ever in Iran.

They fled from Persia to India when Muslims
invaded Persia.

Iran is the name given to Persia by Muslims.

8 posted on 04/23/2003 9:10:00 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ( Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: freedom44
That's exactly what I was thinking as I read this, freedom. They could double their numbers if they allowed inter-marriage as long as the children were brought up within the religion.
9 posted on 04/23/2003 9:16:08 PM PDT by McGavin999
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Actually that's not true. Iran means land of aryans and was given by Shah Reza Khan referring to the indo-european roots of Iranians it has absolutely nothing to do with Islam.
10 posted on 04/23/2003 9:16:22 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
I read recently that they are having a severe problem because an unknown disease is decimating the vulture population.
11 posted on 04/23/2003 9:18:15 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
I am Dariush, the great king, the king of kings
The king of many countries and many peoples
The king of this expansive land,
The son of Wishtaspa of Achaemenid,
Persian, the son of a Persian,
'Aryan', from the Aryan race
"From the Darius the Great's Inscription in Naqshe-e-Rostam"

"This is what the LORD says to his annointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut."
(Isaiah 45:1)

12 posted on 04/23/2003 9:21:19 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: freedom44
Rock band Queen's famous lead singer, the late Freddie Mercury, was also a Parsi.

My opinion of Parsis just went way down. A particular Queen song is sometimes used to torture me.

13 posted on 04/23/2003 9:27:20 PM PDT by wideminded
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To: freedom44
Some of the country's top business families - like the Tatas, Godrejs and the Wadias ...

The Tatas being the most bodacious of the bunch.
14 posted on 04/23/2003 9:28:15 PM PDT by ohmage
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To: freedom44
Any pictures of the ladies?
15 posted on 04/23/2003 9:33:10 PM PDT by TaMoDee
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To: freedom44
I was wrong, but while I was there in the 70s
the people I knew wanted to be called Persians
instead of Iranians.

"History is a mirror of the past
And a lesson for the present."
(A Persian Proverb)

The country has always been known to its own people as Iran (land of the Aryans), although for centuries it was referred to as Persia (Pars or Fars, a province in southern Iran) by the Europeans, mainly due to the writings of Greek historians. In 1935 the Government specified that it should be called Iran; however, in 1949 they allowed both names to be used.
16 posted on 04/23/2003 9:43:14 PM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ( Taxes are not levied for the benefit of the taxed.)
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To: freedom44
"Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, magi from the east arrived in Jerusalem, saying... "

"magi from the east" were followers of the teachings of Zorastrianism

I've always found this interesting. This group were among the first monotheistic religions and had much more in common with Judaism than is generally recognized. And somehow, their prophets knew enough about the story written in the stars to know that the messiah had been born.

"Zoroastrian is monotheistic in its higher ideology having AHURA MAZDA as its Supreme Deity and AHRIMAN as a lesser power of evil, which continually retards the smooth progress of good-universe is conceived as a battlefield between Ahura Mazda and Ahriman. In this confrontation, Ahura Mazda will ultimately defeat Ahriman. In the Zoroastrian religion, the theory of Re-incarnation does not exist..." http://www.bawarchi.com/festivals/parsinewyear.html

17 posted on 04/23/2003 9:43:17 PM PDT by Lloyd227 (Just interesting trivia. No particular message in my posting it.)
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
Iranians are ethnically mostly Persian. That's why they refer to themselves as 'Persians'. Not because of nationality, but because of ethnicity and heritage. Most people get that confused and feel like Iranians are referring to their 'nationality'.

Sometimes people ever get aggressive about why Iranians refer to themselves as Persians, but they don't understand it's because THEY'RE ethnically Persians. Nationality and ethnicity are two totally different things.

It's similar to how Arabs are called Arabs--it's their ethnicity, not their nationality.
18 posted on 04/23/2003 9:57:40 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: Lloyd227
Lloyd in the original holy book of the Zoroastrians called the 'Avesta' Zartost (Zoroaster) said i will be reborn under a star. That's why the magi came from the east.

Magi is what zoroastrians call their priests, it's also where the words magic and magician came from.

:)
19 posted on 04/23/2003 9:59:14 PM PDT by freedom44
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To: Lloyd227
Main Entry: [1]mag·ic
Pronunciation: 'ma-jik
Function: noun
Etymology: Middle English magique, from Middle French, from Latin magice, from Greek magikE, feminine of magikos Magian, magical, from magos magus, of Iranian origin; akin to Old Persian maguš
Date: 14th century

Main Entry: ma·gus
Pronunciation: 'mA-g&s
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural ma·gi /'mA-"jI, 'ma-/
Etymology: Latin, from Greek magos —more at MAGIC
Date: 1621
1 a : a member of a hereditary priestly class among the ancient Persians b : often capitalized : one of the traditionally three wise men from the East paying homage to the infant Jesus
20 posted on 04/23/2003 10:04:43 PM PDT by freedom44
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