[Illbay]

...you could get by with sprinkling!

Don't have my glasses on; for a second I thought you said "spanking."

That would go a long way toward explaining the behavior of many of the "calvinists" on FR.

[Ahban]

Don't worry Ill, God-hating atheists are allowed to prostlytize too. So go to it. Where are the atheist organizations offering to send in thousands of food and medical kits?

Without a Judeo-Christian world view, self government is very difficult if not impossible to sustain. The only culture that I know of which has done it is the Japanese, and they are good imitators. The only realistic chance for an Iraq that is not as tyranical and messed up as all of the other Arab countires is the spread of the Gospel.