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The News We (CNN) Kept To Ourselves [must read]
The New York Times ^ | 04/11/03 | EASON JORDAN

Posted on 04/10/2003 9:16:06 PM PDT by Pokey78

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To: uvular
Admiral BOORDA is right. That is the one about which no one is yet willing to be even a particle truthful. There is liberal use of the appellation "conspiracy theorist" to describe anyone who even brings up facts. I wonder what constitutes the containg force on this one.

By God's grace the truth will be exposed, revealed, uncovered, proven and widely published. The character of a man of Boorda's quality does not deserve to bear the destruction suffered.
1,321 posted on 04/11/2003 5:00:32 PM PDT by Spirited
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To: Sabertooth; JohnHuang2; kayak; MeeknMing
For example, in the mid-1990's one of our Iraqi cameramen was abducted. For weeks he was beaten and subjected to electroshock torture in the basement of a secret police headquarters because he refused to confirm the government's ludicrous suspicion that I was the Central Intelligence Agency's Iraq station chief. CNN had been in Baghdad long enough to know that telling the world about the torture of one of its employees would almost certainly have gotten him killed and put his family and co-workers at grave risk.

I can't really fault Eason Jordan for not reporting these particular atrocities for fear of retaliation against these individuals' families and/or retaliation against CNN reporters stationed in Iraq. I however, blame CNN for still showing us biased reports and distorted views from Saddam's sympathizers such as Peter Arnett, Christiana Amanpour and others. Subsequently CNN had the responsibility to hire more objective reporters capable to present factual reports.

1,322 posted on 04/11/2003 5:01:44 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: MeeknMing
why, ty, meekie! : )
1,323 posted on 04/11/2003 5:04:36 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: PhiKapMom
If CNN knew all this, and couldn't say anything because it threatened the lives of their people in Baghdad, fine. But why, knowing all that, did they REPORT FAVORABLY TORWARDS THE SADDAM REGIME? Why report so UNFAVORABLY AGAINST THE ONLY COUNTRY THAT WAS WILLING TO DO SOMETHING TO STOP THIS HORROR, WHICH THEY HAD INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE OF?

Because like most socialists, nothing is more important than their ideology. Not human life, or the loyalty to the greatest, free-est country on earth, without which, THERE WOULD BE NO FREAKING CNN!

1,324 posted on 04/11/2003 5:04:40 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: Republic of Texas
Bingo.
1,325 posted on 04/11/2003 5:06:27 PM PDT by Anomaly in Illinois ((never forget !))
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To: Howlin
I still wonder why he didn't warn OUR government, since we were using the brothers-in-law, too!

In 1995, the "head" of our govt. was billy the pig....you REALLY think he'd have done anything?

1,326 posted on 04/11/2003 5:07:00 PM PDT by nicmarlo
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To: nicmarlo
This is true.
1,327 posted on 04/11/2003 5:07:25 PM PDT by Howlin (It's a great day to be an American -- or an Iraqi!)
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To: Almondjoy; ShotgunWillie
> Let's say for instance even one of these stories were told. CNN and all other news organizations would of been kicked out immediately never to return.

They shouldn't have waited to get kicked out. Once they saw that Saddam's animals were going to make being a propaganda organ for the regime the price of keeping their Baghdad bureau open, they should have said "Thanks, but no thanks", and then bugged out.

The result.. all of this would go undocumented. Now i'm sure there are plenty of news organizations that will be able to place facts so that any living members of the regime responsible for these crimes will be put to justice.

Bulls**t. What do you suppose is happening now that the regime has crumbled away? The truth is coming out. And it's coming out in spite of the left wing media organs such as the New York Times, LA Times, Newsweek and CNN. And what use is ANYTHING that CNN's Baghdad staff might "document" when the bureau has surrendered any pretext of credibility it may have had by prostituting itself to Saddam Hussein?

How about the Iraqi's working for them as he mentioned?

This is the most compelling reason there is for CNN to have packed up shop in Baghdad once it became clear what the terms were going to be to stay! It would be very hard for the regime to kill them if CNN were no longer there and they weren't working (or at least it would be hard for the regime to kill them under this particular pretext - Saddam's monsters didn't seem to even need a reason to kill).

So instead, CNN prostrated themselves before Saddam and cheerfully pushed his propaganda on the rest of the world just so they could keep their "presence." Seems to me that CNN's Iraqi staffers were tortured and murdered pushing Saddam's propaganda. That has to be one of the vilest forms of irony I can imagine. AND CNN LET THIS HAPPEN FOR TWELVE YEARS!!!

And then on top of all that, knowing all of this, CNN has the unmitigated gall to send us all kinds of warm and fuzzy stories about Saddam's birthday celebration, about how Saddam got almost 100 percent of the "vote" in the last "election" and how this is proof that the Iraqis adored him.

Every time 50 smelly unwashed hippie maggots turned out to shit in the streets, throw trash at cops and wave their stupid "No blood for oil" signs, CNN breathlessly reported that tens of thousands of "mainstream Americans" were peacefully protesting this "illegal", "immoral" war (and CNN made no bones about their total agreement with the protestors on the war issue). CNN even went out of their way to clean up the coverage, showing only sweet grandmotherly types and cute little kids waving "No War" signs! And why not - they were giving us a whitewashed view of the goings-on in Baghdad from their precious bureau there, so why not spread some more lies?

Every time that POS perfumed prince Wesley Clark opened his piehole to deliver his latest steaming load with a grunt and a splash, CNN was right there, gleefully urging him on and repeating the Left's mantra-de-jour that the idiot selected President had led us into another Vietnam quagmire, that our soldiers were starving in the desert, that Rumsfeld was a blithering fool endangering our soldier's lives by trying to win the war on the cheap, and that Iraqi civilians were dropping like flies.

Get the point yet?

1,328 posted on 04/11/2003 5:07:37 PM PDT by CFC__VRWC
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To: Howlin
Spin cycle indeed! They know they dug a hole..EVERYONE is talking about this..
1,329 posted on 04/11/2003 5:07:37 PM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://anyservicemember.navy.mil/)
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To: Pokey78
Americans should petition the FCC to revoke CNN's license to broadcast using this article as evidence of colaberation with the Iraqi regime.
1,330 posted on 04/11/2003 5:20:02 PM PDT by GreyWolf (You don't have to be a Boy Scout to Be Prepared!)
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To: CFC__VRWC; All
The truth is coming out. And it's coming out in spite of the left wing media organs such as the New York Times, LA Times, Newsweek and CNN...

-When the Dungeon Doors Swing Open...--

1,331 posted on 04/11/2003 5:21:52 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an old keyboard cowboy, ridin' the trackball into the sunset...)
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To: ~Kim4VRWC's~; dorben; holden; wirestripper
One question to you all, and I'm looking for an honest, non-flame personal attack, if you are capable of doing that. A lot of you have taken potshots at me, but I don't believe that my view is that much different from yours. If you read all of my previous posts, you would have seen that. I agree that CNN should have reported all the atrocities that they knew about Saddam without compromising the lives of Iraqis.

Do you think the result you are seeking could have been accomplished simply by aggressively reporting all of the atrocities that happened to Iraqis that had immigrated to this country and have them tell us what Saddam did, or did Jordan have to tell us his story, which could have got Iraqis killed?

1,332 posted on 04/11/2003 5:29:45 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pokey78
CNN had the bottom line in mind. If some people had to die, so be it.
1,333 posted on 04/11/2003 5:30:56 PM PDT by discipler
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To: diamond6
Do you think the result you are seeking could have been accomplished simply by aggressively reporting all of the atrocities that happened to Iraqis that had immigrated to this country and have them tell us what Saddam did, or did Jordan have to tell us his story, which could have got Iraqis killed

CNN wouldn't report information it had first hand knowledge of; why would it bother to report second hand stoies from Iraqi immigrants?

1,334 posted on 04/11/2003 5:35:03 PM PDT by CharacterCounts
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To: Anomaly in Illinois
Which news groups had reporters expelled from Baghdad? I believe Fox had one tossed.

Perhaps because they wouldn't play ball like CNN?

1,335 posted on 04/11/2003 5:37:14 PM PDT by chiller (could be wrong, but doubt it)
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To: CharacterCounts
Do you or anybody have an answer to this question? Your answer is non-responsive.
1,336 posted on 04/11/2003 5:38:16 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: diamond6
Maybe the 13th trip into baghdad, begging Saddam to allow CNN to stay there should have been cancelled. How about that? CNN was begging, 13 times... to not be booted out of the country. They knew that they could not report the truth, and that Iraq might torture their journalists.

Again... what is the news benefit of reporting that Saddam Hussein's b-day was a huge celebration with a play about his life getting rave reviews... then not reporting what Uday was doing?

That is propaganda. Pure and simple. CNN could not function in Iraq as a journalism center, so they should not have pretended that they were. Jordan's response to the New Republic Article belies that CNN was lying to us, and to the world, when he claimed they would leave if they were being shut up. He lied. Period.

CNN also should be ashamed if it ever hired another Iraqi born worker, or put a reporter in there without fully briefing them on what could happen.

CNN also should not have had Christianne Amanpour on tv calling for a UN Geneva code investigation of the Palestine Hotel incident, when they knew far worse things going on. By holding this candle light vigil for journalists, demanding justice, CNN was distorting the truth.

The world viewers seeing this believe US targets journalists deliberately... Iraq doesn't, when quite the opposite is true.

This is just one small point that proves that keeping that office open... with desperate shuttle diplomacy, actually hurt their ability to tell the truth.

As James Glassman, I believe mentioned today... if ya want to know what is going on in Iraq... sit in Jordan and snatch each Iraqi who has fled... instead of discussing Saddam's birthday... how much the people love him by giving him 100% of the vote in shame elections...

That is the freaking stories that CNN was able to give us by staying in Baghdad, instead of interviewing torture victims and their family members who fled.

If you can't see this... I can't help you.

1,337 posted on 04/11/2003 5:39:33 PM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: diamond6
Even if they kept quiet about specific atrocities, to save lives for example, they didn't have to be so anti-American, and so pro-Iraq in their reporting. Other news agencies worked under the same constraints without sounding like the Iraqi government press, they could have also. IF THEY WANTED TO.
1,338 posted on 04/11/2003 5:42:49 PM PDT by Republic of Texas
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To: dogbyte12
What you say is all well and good, but do you have a direct answer to my question?
1,339 posted on 04/11/2003 5:43:18 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Republic of Texas
I agree with you. But if they had reported like you state, would that change your opinion?
1,340 posted on 04/11/2003 5:44:26 PM PDT by diamond6 ("Everyone who is for abortion HAS been born." Ronald Reagan)
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