[Dane]

Dane, I hate to break it to you, but you don't really know Ashcroft, Bush or Cheney. Nor do you know any of the columnists who write for the Times. You have your beliefs about their "hearts" and intentions. And you are catholic in your beliefs. Take that into consideration

Actually I believe that I can know the true beliefs of Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft, by gauging their previous sayings and actions and I can know the true beliefs of the New York Times from their previous writings and actions.

Sorry but I will believe Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft over the New York Times 24/7.

It seems that you will believe anybody who is singing your, IMO, paranoid tune, and in this case today it is the New York Times.

[Belial]

Sorry but I will believe Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft over the New York Times 24/7.

Of course you will. Set up the good guys vs. the bad guys, everyone hates the Times. That'll convince us the Patriot Act should stay!

It seems that you will believe anybody who is singing your, IMO, paranoid tune, and in this case today it is the New York Times.

And nothing like a little strawman to go with the rest of your BS.

You're a kneejerk supporter of the party line. Your ridiculous "arguments" don't fool anyone.