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Sorry but I will believe Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft over the New York Times 24/7.

Of course you will. Set up the good guys vs. the bad guys, everyone hates the Times. That'll convince us the Patriot Act should stay!

It seems that you will believe anybody who is singing your, IMO, paranoid tune, and in this case today it is the New York Times.

And nothing like a little strawman to go with the rest of your BS.

You're a kneejerk supporter of the party line. Your ridiculous "arguments" don't fool anyone.

You're a kneejerk supporter of the party line. Your ridiculous "arguments" don't fool anyone

Actually I consider myself a judge of character and the character of Bush, Cheney, and Ashcroft is heads above the character of the New York Times and, IMO, knee jerk reactionary groups such as the ACLU and their paranoid friends on the rightwing fringe.