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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

A Maryland minister was barred from giving the opening prayer in the state Senate after he refused to drop a reference to Jesus.

The Rev. David N. Hughes of the Trinity and Evangelical Church of Adamstown, Md., intended to round out his invocation yesterday with the line, "In Jesus' name, Amen." But the sergeant at arms – on the orders of Senate President Thomas Mike Miller Jr. – shut the reverend out of the body's chambers.

Miller issued the orders after two Jewish lawmakers threatened to stage a boycott of the legislative session if the phrase was not removed.

"I'm shocked by the response. I've never had this happen in 26 years," Hughes told the Frederick News-Post. "It just makes me feel that they've taken away my right as an American to pray, and this is the seat of government, and that's scary."

The pastor – a Vietnam veteran – was invited to give the prayer by Republican Sen. Alex Mooney. Hughes was Mooney's fourth guest. The other three were Jewish rabbis.

Opening up legislative sessions with prayer is a longstanding tradition in Maryland, as it is in states across the country. Mooney told WorldNetDaily no one had been barred from giving an invocation before. He sees irony in yesterday's "censorship."

Maryland state Republican Rep. Alex Mooney

"We were the first state to address religious tolerance in our state charter," he told WorldNetDaily. "This just shows a lack of tolerance for peoples' religious views."

Mooney recalled numerous instances of invocations referencing Jesus throughout the four years that he has been in office.

But at the beginning of the session this year, a string of invocations by Baptist preachers invoking the name Jesus Christ sparked debate on the issue. Miller appealed to lawmakers for tolerance and urged they stick to guidelines that call for invocations to be of an ecumenical nature and respectful of all faiths.

Webster's New World Dictionary defines ecumenical as "promoting cooperation or better understanding among differing religious faiths."

Since the debate, the Senate clerk screens prayers ahead of time and flagged the written text submitted by Hughes.

When Sens. Ida Ruben and Gloria Hollinger – both of whom are Jewish – heard of the reference, they asked Mooney to strike it.

"I said, 'Hey, I'll let him pray however he wants to pray. I'm not going to censor him and tell him how he needs to pray,'" Mooney told WND.

Ruben told the Frederick News-Post she then urged Hughes to substitute "messiah" for Jesus, telling him the reference could offend non-Christians and goes against the guidelines.

Neither Ruben nor Miller returned calls seeking comment.

"This is part of my faith," Hughes responded, according to Mooney. "The Gospel says when you pray, pray in Jesus' name."

The senators next asked to be excused from the floor during the prayer.

Paradoxically, a walk-out over a Muslim cleric's prayer opening a Washington state legislative session last month backfired on one Christian lawmaker.

Washington state Republican Rep. Lois McMahan

As WorldNetDaily reported, Rep. Lois McMahan, a Republican from Gig Harbor, Wash., refused to participate in the prayer and declared, "My god is not Muhammed."

"The Islamic religion is so ... part and parcel with the attack on America. I just didn't want to be there, be a part of that," she said in an interview with the Seattle Post Intelligencer. "Even though the mainstream Islamic religion doesn't profess to hate America, nonetheless it spawns the groups that hate America."

But a day later, McMahan apologized on the floor of the state House of Representatives amid mounting furor over her stance.

Debate over invocations is raging elsewhere in the country. As WorldNetDaily reported, several Southern California cities are grappling with threats from both sides of the issue.

Under pressure from the American Civil Liberties Union to quit using the name Jesus Christ in invocations, the city of Lake Elsinore, in Riverside County, decided to eliminate mention of "religious figures." The decree subsequently had the apparent effect of eliminating the prayer altogether, as no local pastors would accept invitations to deliver the prayer, and city councilors adopted moments of silence instead.

The ACLU contends that praying at the request of a government entity is a violation of the First Amendment's prohibition against the establishment of religion.

But the nonprofit United States Justice Foundation, which threatened to sue the city if it failed to reverse its decision, maintains telling a pastor what to pray is a violation of his First Amendment rights to freedom of speech and religion.

The notion of "separation of church and state" is derived from the dissenting opinion of the 1946 Supreme Court case Everson vs. Board of Education, which upheld a program allowing parents to be repaid from state funds for the costs of transportation to private religious schools. The court required only that the state maintain neutrality in its relations with various groups of religious believers.

"The decision in Everson does not rise to the level of being a battle cry for those who would wish to remove every vestige of religion from the public forum," USJF litigation counsel Richard Ackerman asserts.

"There's a push in this country to remove religion from society," Mooney echoed, "from the Supreme Court's decision on the Pledge to the ACLU going after all the Ten Commandments posted across the country. ... Nothing in the church-state relationship allows censorship and the removal of religious values from society."


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To: laureldrive
Sinky has a long history of intolerance. You are completely correct: he, however, will likely never get it.
781 posted on 04/04/2003 6:51:24 PM PST by Pharmboy (Dems lie 'cause they have to)
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To: Illbay
No the two little boys who go door to door in badly fitting suits and black nametags. The only people I know who enjoy these visits are gay men. They see more of their own that way.
782 posted on 04/04/2003 6:54:20 PM PST by CARepubGal (I am an FR Meteorologist)
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To: laureldrive
Some people aren't so secure in their beliefs. I'm not in that category, nor am I an "apologist". Is see NO reason to have to apologize for believing in Jesus Christ nor in uttering His name in public. Others that claim to be Christians, who really aren't, are typically the ones that feel the need to extend political correctness since THIS world is what matters MOST to them. They typically do NOT read the Bible and see where this behavior is the opposite of what a Christian is supposed to do. When they deny Jesus and advocate others to do the same ... they should understand that when you deny Him; He'll deny you too.
783 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:04 PM PST by nmh
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To: Zionist Conspirator
As you wish. The God I know would not appreciate your so-called enlightened view. Because you are denying His Son.
784 posted on 04/04/2003 6:58:12 PM PST by sauropod (I'm a man... But I can change... If I have to.... I guess...................)
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To: Pharmboy
Stinky isn't a Chrstian. Just likes to think he is when he thinks it won't offend someone else. I can only guess at the reaction of Jesus when he does this world conmforming charade. Bet He isn't too pleased.
785 posted on 04/04/2003 6:59:40 PM PST by nmh
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To: so_real
Rectitudine Sto. 'Pod.
786 posted on 04/04/2003 7:00:09 PM PST by sauropod (I'm a man... But I can change... If I have to.... I guess...................)
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To: Pharmboy
Stinky isn't a Christian. Just likes to think he is when he thinks it won't offend someone else. I can only guess at the reaction of Jesus when he does this world conmforming charade. Bet He isn't too pleased.
787 posted on 04/04/2003 7:00:10 PM PST by nmh
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To: rabidralph
Ain't he though?

{{{rabidralph}}}

788 posted on 04/04/2003 7:05:27 PM PST by sauropod (I'm a man... But I can change... If I have to.... I guess...................)
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To: thatstan
Separation of church and state is an artifice that Jefferson wrote about in 1803 to the Danbury Baptists in Connecticut.

There is nothing in the Constitution about it. You can climb down from your soapbox now.

789 posted on 04/04/2003 7:09:45 PM PST by sauropod (I'm a man... But I can change... If I have to.... I guess...................)
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To: sauropod
"Rectitudine Sto" = "Be Upright"? The motto used by colonialist Pierre Samuel du Pont de Nemours and his band? I'm grasping at straws here :-)
790 posted on 04/04/2003 7:31:12 PM PST by so_real
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To: so_real
It means "On the side of right." I saw it at a Dupont de Nemours monument in Delaware and thought it was cool.

Very good!

791 posted on 04/04/2003 7:40:04 PM PST by sauropod (I'm a man... But I can change... If I have to.... I guess...................)
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To: Illbay
He wasn't invited to prosletyze.

What is your answer supposed to mean? What you say is true, but what does that have to do with him saying a prayer? Where was he asking anyone to convert?

Just what is your religious agenda?

792 posted on 04/04/2003 7:45:36 PM PST by F-117A
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To: Wrigley
That's your prerogative, but of course you have no power to decide for others.

And therefore, our Church is growing at an astonishing rate.

Thousands say "yes" every year. To God be the glory.
793 posted on 04/04/2003 8:02:41 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: countrydummy
To me, it is no offense at all.

But since I am really thinking about how others may feel about it, how I feel is irrelevant.
794 posted on 04/04/2003 8:04:45 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Michael2001
"Mohammed," no. That would not be appropriate (though Muslims don't pray to Mohammed).

"Allah" is acceptable, as it is simply the Arabic name for the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, whom most all of us worship.

Better to address one's prayers to "God," however, in deference to the beliefs of the great majority.

I guess the agnostics can visualize the Singularity, and the atheists can play pinochle.

Everybody's happy.
795 posted on 04/04/2003 8:06:55 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: Michael2001
Why do so many of us seek occasion to offend when there is no need?
796 posted on 04/04/2003 8:07:28 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: All
I'm baaaaack. Have we concluded yet that it is in fact acceptable for a Christian minister to conclude a prayer in the Christ's name if he so chooses? Or are there still non-Christians out there who feel they should be allowed to dictate how a Christian prays?
797 posted on 04/04/2003 8:08:38 PM PST by so_real
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To: laureldrive
This was not the time or place for a "christian" prayer. As a believer in Christ I have no problem with that (but then my own religion teaches religious tolerance).

Those who are so insecure in their own beliefs, that they cannot abide the notion that others may believe differently, ought not venture out of doors.

798 posted on 04/04/2003 8:09:37 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: F-117A
That's the point. There IS no "religious agenda" that is applicable here.

He was asked to give a prayer on behalf of all. If he is so self-centered that he can't do that, then he is rightly not going to be asked to give the prayer any more.

Sounds like the best solution for all.
799 posted on 04/04/2003 8:11:50 PM PST by Illbay (Don't believe every tagline you read - including this one)
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To: so_real
Sorry. It still appears that if an evangelical Christian minister ends an invocation with the very standard "In Jesus Name, Amen," he is "out of place" and "intolerant" of other religions.

That's according to the very Christian, very tolerant illbay.

800 posted on 04/04/2003 8:17:08 PM PST by Deb
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