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Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

Posted on 04/03/2003 6:25:58 PM PST by honway

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To: Wrigley
I dunno. We learned to say "no."

(I thought the ONE was three?)

761 posted on 04/04/2003 4:55:03 PM PST by Corin Stormhands (Support Our Troops)
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To: Illbay
You think that saying, "In Jesus' name we pray" is a public offense? If so why? He was the Greatest Man that ever walked the earth and so much more! He is Lord!

If by this prayer or mine, it offends someone then they need to get the chip off their shoulders! They need to have some respect for what Christians believe! Christians---Christ=His followers=Christians!
762 posted on 04/04/2003 4:56:26 PM PST by countrydummy
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To: k2blader
Also, great quote. I'll have to add that to my little collection. :-)

I think the original is in Lewis's Mere Christianity. I'll look for it tonight in my Lewis books when I go home.
763 posted on 04/04/2003 5:15:16 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Illbay
I have a feeling you'd defend a Muslim's right to say "Mohammed" and "Allah". Of course that's just an educated guess based on our many online encounters.
764 posted on 04/04/2003 5:22:29 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: honway
Why are we always so scared of offending people in this country? I'm offended by the idiots who are always offended.
765 posted on 04/04/2003 5:23:54 PM PST by Michael2001
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To: sauropod
Outstanding post. Which post were you saying that about, I wrote a few?I went to bed about #550, now there is alot to catch up to this evening.
766 posted on 04/04/2003 6:04:10 PM PST by Delphinium
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To: TopQuark
}As thousands (THOUSANDS ???) of ministers (???) prove every day, leading a nondemoninational prayer is not a dilution of Christianity.

That is merely your concocted "evidence", not proof of what you assert.

But don't give up too easily. Check the Yellow Pages for an ad that reads something like "Prayers customized to suit your fancy. We will pray to a rock, a rooster, the sun or a cockatoo. Since we stand for nothing, nothing offends us. You can sure we will not offend anyone, except those who do".

767 posted on 04/04/2003 6:04:58 PM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
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To: Michael2001
}I'm offended by the idiots who are always offended.

We have a whole generation of such who troll their way through life seeking to position themselves in such a way as to maximize their possibility of being offended. FR is full of them (including some of the moderators).

768 posted on 04/04/2003 6:07:45 PM PST by DensaMensa (He who controls the definitions controls history.)
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To: honway
Ah tolerance. Yes. I love it!
769 posted on 04/04/2003 6:08:14 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (Further, the statement assumed)
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To: Zionist Conspirator
I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

Matthew 10:32 "Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. 33But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven."

770 posted on 04/04/2003 6:19:02 PM PST by lsee
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To: sinkspur
The evangelical pastor should have sucked it up,

You mean accepted the censorship of the bigots? You and Saddam are on the same page, it would seem ---- no tolerance for other beliefs.

771 posted on 04/04/2003 6:24:32 PM PST by laureldrive
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To: ET(end tyranny)
"No we pray to the Father THROUGH Jesus."

According to the Bible it works like this:

When a Christian prays Jesus Christ is the ONLY mediator and the Holy Spirit is the ONLY intercessor. Christ alone died for our sins since no mere mortal was capable of perfection other than Jesus in the Bible or in this age. Because of man being incapable of perfection in keeping God's laws reconciliation was not possible (2 Cor. 5:19). The Holy Spirit did not die for our sins; He prays to the Father on our behalf, based on the redeeming work of Jesus Christ. Furthermore the intercessor, the Holy Spirit, is NOT in heaven as is Christ as Christ's work is (1 John 2:12). Rather , it is in US of we follow Christ. The indwelling Holy Spirit pleads in us to the father on the grounds of hte mediating work of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Hope that clarifies how a Christian prays to Jesus. Any questions, e-mail me on FR. Otherwise your reply will be unanaswered. These threads become so unwieldy that I usually don't waste my time on them. The ignorance displayed here is enough to give any Christian spiritual nightmares.

772 posted on 04/04/2003 6:28:01 PM PST by nmh
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To: Illbay
In this case, it is the Christian who's making trouble for the Jews.

No, it's bigots who want to censor the preacher. They can listen respectfully, just as the atheists in the chamber must do when Jews or Christians or Muslims or anyone else says a prayer. This anti-Christian hysteria is crap, and the bigots need to be called on it. If you're tempted to be bigoted, you should reconsider. I'm Christian, and I've sat respectfully through prayers of other religions; whatever happened to simple tolerance - - or is hatred of Christianity so strong that tolerance can't be extended to Christians?

773 posted on 04/04/2003 6:28:26 PM PST by laureldrive
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To: laureldrive
You and Saddam are on the same page, it would seem ---- no tolerance for other beliefs.

No, it's YOU and Saddam who are on the same page.

No tolerance for dem Joos!

774 posted on 04/04/2003 6:31:24 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: Illbay
a nation where freedom of conscience

except for Christians, who aren't allowed to speak their own prayers in public. I'm one, and I wouldn't raise a ruckus if a Buddhist were giving an invocation;; why can't you bear to hear a christian profess his faith? If we really are the free-conscience multi-belief society you say, then why can't you allow others to express their beliefs?

775 posted on 04/04/2003 6:31:26 PM PST by laureldrive
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To: sinkspur
No tolerance for dem Joos!

What an asinine statement. You're the one who objects to somebody professing their faith - - - I don't; if a Rabbi or a Buddhist or a Hindu were giving the invocation, I'd be respectful and tolerant. Because I object to a couple of bigots who won't extend the same tolerance to my faith -- that earns me a smear from you? It's you, bub, who don't have tolerance for others - -- but you sure are quick with the foul smear.

776 posted on 04/04/2003 6:36:07 PM PST by laureldrive
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To: laureldrive
Why are you so emotionally involved in this issue? I'm Christian also, yet I don't feel the need to rub my faith in somebody else's face.

Maybe you do.

I think this whole argument is ridiculous.

I'm off this thread, as it's nothing but sniping, carping, and Pharisaism.

777 posted on 04/04/2003 6:41:17 PM PST by sinkspur
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To: ET(end tyranny)
"No we pray to the Father THROUGH Jesus."

According to the Bible it works like this:

I need to be clearer than in my last reply. FIrst off:

! Timothy 2:5 states this:

[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Romans 8:26 states this:

[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

When a Christian prays to Jesus Christ, Jesus is the mediator and the Holy Spirit is the intercessor. Christ alone died for our sins since no mere mortal was capable of perfection either in the Bible or today. To state otherwise calls God a liar. Because of man being incapable of perfection, spiritually or otherwise, in keeping God's laws reconciliation was not possible (2 Cor. 5:19).

2 Cor. 5:19 states:

[19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The Holy Spirit did not die for our sins; He prays to the Father on our behalf, based on the redeeming work of Jesus Christ. Furthermore the intercessor, the Holy Spirit, is NOT in heaven as is Christ's work is (1 John 2:1,2).

1 John 2:1,2 states

[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Rather , it is in US of we follow Christ. The indwelling Holy Spirit pleads in us to the father on the grounds of hte mediating work of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Hope that clarifies how a Christian prays to Jesus. Any questions, e-mail me on FR. Otherwise your reply will be unanaswered. These threads become so unwieldy that I usually don't waste my time on them. The ignorance displayed here is enough to give any Christian spiritual nightmares.

As mentioned privately, Christians only pray to the living God; not dead fallible mortals. And the above shows from the Bible just what transpires when a Christian prays. I put the Word of God over the flawed word of man and all of this is from the Bible.

778 posted on 04/04/2003 6:42:40 PM PST by nmh
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To: ET(end tyranny)
"No we pray to the Father THROUGH Jesus."

According to the Bible it works like this:

I need to be clearer than in my last reply. First off:

Timothy 2:5 states this:

[5] For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

Romans 8:26 states this:

[26] Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

When a Christian prays to Jesus Christ, Jesus is the mediator and the Holy Spirit is the intercessor. Christ alone died for our sins since no mere mortal was capable of perfection either in the Bible or today. To state otherwise calls God a liar. Because of man being incapable of perfection, spiritually or otherwise, in keeping God's laws reconciliation was not possible (2 Cor. 5:19).

2 Cor. 5:19 states this:

[19] To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

The Holy Spirit did not die for our sins; He prays to the Father on our behalf, based on the redeeming work of Jesus Christ. Furthermore the intercessor, the Holy Spirit, is NOT in heaven as is Christ's work is (1 John 2:1,2).

1 John 2:1,2 states:

[1] My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

[2] And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

Rather, it is in US of we follow Christ. The indwelling Holy Spirit pleads in us to the father on the grounds of hte mediating work of His Son, Jesus Christ.

Hope that clarifies how a Christian prays to Jesus. Any questions, e-mail me on FR. Otherwise your reply will be unanaswered. These threads become so unwieldy that I usually don't waste my time on them. The ignorance displayed here is enough to give any Christian spiritual nightmares.

As mentioned privately, Christians only pray to the living God; not dead fallible mortals. And the above shows from the Bible just what transpires when a Christian prays. I put the Word of God over the flawed word of man and all of this is from the Bible.

Best Regards,

779 posted on 04/04/2003 6:43:52 PM PST by nmh
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To: sinkspur
I don't feel the need to rub my faith in somebody else's face.

Praying in the name of Jesus is just an exercise in free speech. We've reached an ominous moment if it's become unacceptable. When did Christianity become such a hateful thing that one can't even voice a prayer in the standard Christian formulation -- - - or defend another's right to do so without being called an anti-semite as you just smeared me?

Why the hatred of Christianity? Again, if a Buddhist got up and gave an invocation, I wouldn't even think of saying he's "rubbing it in my face." I'm secure enough in my beliefs that I could calmly listen, just as I listen to a lot of stuff I don't agree with. Why is Christianity not allowed such a tolerant mature treatment from others these days?

Did you know that the Constitution ends with the words anno domini - - in the year of our Lord? Likewise every presidential proclamation? I'm not saying that's good or bad - - just that the idea that public references to Christianity are not new, only the proposition that such references are EVIL or BAD is new, and that's a disturbing development. Too bad you're going along with the crowd who want to censor mentions of Christ from public conversation.

780 posted on 04/04/2003 6:49:43 PM PST by laureldrive
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