Jewish lawmakers threaten walk-out over reference to Jesus

WorldNetDaily.com ^ | April 3, 2003 | Diana Lynne

[djf]

Thanks.
For a good study of how his trial was conducted and he was railroaded, go HERE

regards,
djf

[Jhoffa_]

He should have chosen something that can be said to both Jews and Christians.

Then why not just have the janitor deliver it? Or a Muslim? Or anybody at all?

What you're asking for is a speech, as the beliefs of Jews and Christians are completely exclusive.

I don't have a problem with respecting the opinions of Jews who happen to be present, but to ask the Christian to pray in something other than Christ's name is ridiculous.

That concession would be insulting to anyone with any, real religious values at all. It's better not to have the prayer in the first place if it requires dishonesty on the part of the minister.

[Captain Beyond]

You got it right. It usually takes someone who can see the forrest while the others are running into the same tree.

Always enjoy your comments. Keep the Faith.

[icu2]

I would like to know why a person who believes in Christ should have to modify his prayer for jews or any one else.
If a jew or someone else offers a prayer is it allright fore me to be offended and cause trouble be cause they don't ask in Jesus name like I do? Why does God and Jesus always have to take the hit?

[TopQuark]

Thanks, all is forgotten.

It is nice to finally understand each other.

As I said earlier, we have much more in common that what we have different. And we should work together against the Leftist --- whether from Jewish of Christian families --- to bring this nation back to its Christian roots.

Regards, TQ.

[AnalogReigns]

This is a country founded on Judeo-Christain principles.
This is a country founded out of the Enlightenment, by Frreemasons and Secular Humanists who used Christianity just as Carl Marx, who was never original, later realized as a means of keeping the common people in their place. We did not have universal sufferage, and Christianity was never taken seriously by the upper class property owners that had the vote, except for a minority of New Englanders.

Hmmmm, Patrick Henry, George Washington, James Madison and even (probable Deist) Benjamin Franklin all seemed to take religion very seriously, giving it (at least) the utmost respect--all major founding fathers and none from New England. Jefferson's career was at risk when simply accused of being Deist (he wasn't....more accurately TJ can be called a proto-Unitarian) a charge he denied, by the way...

Of more than 50 elite founders, Jefferson and Franklin were the only ones close to being Deist...the rest, for the most part were regular church goers, many mentioning God (or "Providence") many times in their personal correspondance. The normal language of Jefferson and Washington, sound like that of someone deep within the "religious right" of today--which is why its so strange people, perhaps like yourself, are so distrustful and afraid of religious Christians today.

No one had ANY "sufferage" before the USA came along--as we were the first democractic republic since ancient Greece. The fact that it took a while for "universal sufferage" to be fully realized, doesn't tarnish the vision and ideals of our founders one iota...

You sound like you had too much of a dose of those unoriginal Marxist assumptions in your own education, in order to inaccurately portray the founders like that....

[hellinahandcart]

I think you meant to ping me to #313, right? ;D

[DED]

You are right (this country IS a nation of religious freedom) - and wrong....
Read up on the founding of the nation and show me in the history books where the Jewish and Muslim founders are listed.

[sauropod]

"A prayer designed for the audience is not a prayer."

THANK YOU!

[TopQuark]

Patently false. As I said earlier, thousands upon thousand of Christian clerics find unifying prayers in a mixed company without betraying their respective religions.

You are not a standard-bearer. And certainly do not strike me as a logician.

[Hildy]

By stating how I feel? Sorry, don't buy it.

[Gasshog]

Why does God and Jesus always have to take the hit?

Ummm...Because Satan hates the name of Jesus?

[sheik yerbouty]

Make sure they are stale and hard as hockey pucks!

[Delphinium]

I am surprised to see you sticking up for the Jews, I guess what you hate worse are Christians.

Didn't you just write this today on another thread??

You might consider the distinction between "Israel" the people of the Lord (of whom I am one), and "Israel" the modern, secular state created by the United Nations in 1947
from your post at
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/882544/posts

[sauropod]

Dittos mate!

By no means do i say that Jews are not Americans. They are most certainly welcome here.

Israel is the best ally we have at the moment (cept' maybe the Brits).

I think you are still not comprehending fully what I am trying to say, but no worries.

C U soon. 'Pod

[DED]

"Religious expression is only politically correct for liberals"
You can criticize any religion you want to in this country as long as it's Christianity.
You can debase any religion you want to in this country as long as it's Christianity.
There would have been a much bigger uproar if someone was banned for mentioning Mohammed or Allah.
Virtually NOTHING that is publically said that is negative about Jesus Christ could be said about Mohammed without tremendous controversy.
This PC stuff is ridiculous.

[Delphinium]

What do you mean by that?

[TopQuark]

. A prayer designed for the audience is not a prayer.

This is cure but not true: an important word is implied but missing. A prayer designed solely for the audience is not a prayer.

A minister selecting and formulating a prayer for a particular occasion, although surrounded by his correligionists, designs a prayer.

Any corporate religious experience is collective, hence takes into account those present. A priest at a service for the youth of the congregation, selects and designs his prayers to make them effective for the appropriate age. He does not betray his religion, nor is he lacking deapth.

In every religion there is a personal element and behavior, and there are corporate experiences. Collective prayers are designed for the collective present.

As is said, cute but not true.

[DED]

And don't forget the Aussies - they've got 2000 troops in Iraq!

[sauropod]

Precisely.

BTW, we are having a "support the troops" rally in DC on 12 April.

'Pod dangles carrot: Ann Coulter will be there. < broad hint> ;-)