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What college catalogs don't reveal
TownHall.com ^ | Tuesday, April 1, 2003 | by Phyllis Schlafly

Posted on 04/01/2003 4:49:51 AM PST by JohnHuang2

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To: LibertarianLiz
An oboe performance major it IU! Congratuations! One of my daughter's flute teachers was an IU grad. As an amatuer tuba player, I've always known IU as a low brass Mecca, but I hadn't knonw the woodwinds were so strong before I met Sara's teacher (who had some impressive placements in international competitions).

The time that goes into music training is truly astonishing, you're right. And, three hours a day of practice really is a minimum! Harvey Phillips and Bill Bell required a commitment of four hours a day, excluding lessons, rehearsals, master classes and performances.

My daughter is currently in the Prep Division at Manhattan School of Music, in the top orchestra. The level of performance is very impressive: at least as good as a mid-ranking professional orchestra. I was blown away at their performance of Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique a couple of weeks ago. I am amazed at these kids' dedication.

64 posted on 04/01/2003 7:45:43 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: CatoRenasci
The better college guidebooks, and the US News survey, give you 4 and 6 year graduation rates. As my wife and I were '60s and early '70s undergraduates, we were amazed at how many schools had 4 year graduation rates under 75%. In our day, about the only reason people didn't finish in four years was the draft (for guys), pregnancy (for women) or finances (back before everyone could get cheap money).

ONe of the big reasons my son is starting at Lake Forest in the fall is the fact that 96% of students graduate in 4 years. With the generous academic scholarship he got, it's almost a wash with sending him to the U W system (Wisconsin), and saves him 2 years of his life.
65 posted on 04/01/2003 7:49:20 AM PST by Kozak
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To: nebulas
Try http://www.wiredscholar.com. What a site for selecting and comparing colleges.

I agonize when I hear stories like the Columbia professor's "million Mogadishus" lecture, but, really, if your kid has self-esteem/confidence already, she will come to the "right" conclusions if she is naturally curious enough.

Intelligence and logic will prevail over indoctrination attempts by stuck-in-60's prophet wannabees because we conservatives are creating a 60's backlash that makes Hillary Clinton sob, I'm sure.

I graduated from one of the most liberal/radical colleges in the world, none the worse for it, and look where I ended up! FreeRepublic.com!

66 posted on 04/01/2003 7:54:54 AM PST by LurkedLongEnough (Everything is relative...)
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To: ventana
I think your son's naval service will reduce the importance of the degree from U of R vs. Cornell.

The name of your school is important before you do anything. Your son will have a track record after graduation and before the business or professional world.

When I am picking medical students, I care where they went to school only if they have no work or other relevant experience.

Your undergraduate school is a surrogate marker for what you can do-and not a very good one, at that.

Pick the one you like best, and don't worry about it.

67 posted on 04/01/2003 8:06:25 AM PST by Jim Noble
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To: JohnHuang2
College is a big-money scam these days. Where they used to teach core classes to prepare you for the Big World, it's now a morass of PC/multiculturalist/diversity garbage.

Sometimes, if I have a few hundred bucks to burn, I enroll in "diversity classes" just to have myself some fun raising hell with the Marxists.

I don't have a degree, but I take computer courses as I need them. I could never justify forking over scores of kilobucks for a fancy piece of parchment.

See, I run my own computer house-call business, and it's somewhat successful, so those HR f**ks who turn their noses up at anyone without a degree can kiss my hairy white butt. I'd hire a smart, self-taught kid who knows his stuff over a pompous, arrogant, PC-indoctrinated college grad any day.

68 posted on 04/01/2003 8:32:35 AM PST by FierceDraka (Semper Fi, Do or Die, Gung Ho Gung Ho!)
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To: applemac_g4; ventana
applemac_g4 makes some very good points, especially the social stuff, which most people don't talk about beyond 'is it a party/frat/sorority school?' and are the dorms nice.

A large number of people do indeed meet their spouse in college, and very often the sort of people with whom you are friends in college are the sort of people you will be friends with throughout life. Class is a factor in America, though one not much discussed. If you are typically middle or upper-middle class in background, you are unlikely to be comfortable at a school in which most of the students come from working class backgrounds. Likewise, if you are a strong Catholic, you might not be comfortable at an evangelical Protestant school or a rabidly leftist or Jewish school (e.g. Brandeis), or vice versa.

The only way to get a good feel about these sorts of issues is to (1) visit when students are around, preferably for an overnight visit, and (2) if possible, see who from which schools (and prep schools) in your area is currently at XYZ college, that could be very indicative of the class orientation of the school.

69 posted on 04/01/2003 8:36:35 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: JohnHuang2
Right. I'm in school right now. In fact I'm using a school computer. Above it there's a sign that says "Don't access trash such as gambling, porn, or Free Republic". JUST KIDDING! I should be able to graduate next year, but NO-O-O-O! Some of the classes I need are only offered in spring, while others in the fall. I can only take 12 credit hours per semester. They told me that the classes wouldn't fill up otherwise and they'd have to increase tuition. Well something has to give.
70 posted on 04/01/2003 8:42:43 AM PST by graycamel
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To: July 4th
If the classes are too far apart, run to class. I do!
71 posted on 04/01/2003 8:43:44 AM PST by graycamel
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To: CatoRenasci
And, three hours a day of practice really is a minimum!

Yes, she was telling me about a senior who is about to graduate and that she is practicing 8 (!) hours per day. She is working her way up to more practice time.

As for the 5-6 years to graduate with a Bachelor's degree; due to the AP and college credit courses she took in high school, my daughter is technically finishing her sophmore year, but is rated a Junior. She figures to have enough credits to graduate after the first semester of her senior year. She is thinking of using her time after that preparing for auditions for graduate school.

73 posted on 04/01/2003 9:15:44 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: ventana
Rochester is superb, too. Not quite the name of Cornell, but a complete full ride with no debt.

As a parent of a daughter who is paying out-of-state tuition, please believe me when I say --- TAKE THIS DEAL!

74 posted on 04/01/2003 9:17:47 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: PeterPrinciple
This is the sentence I loved:

In interviews with prospective employers, many found it useful to conceal or de-emphasize their women's studies majors.

Women's Studies Majors seem to have developed a reputation that prospective employers aren't eager to deal with.

75 posted on 04/01/2003 9:24:15 AM PST by LibertarianLiz
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To: ventana
Congratulations on your child's success! If it was up to me, I would choose Cornell. As you mentioned, it's Ivy League and with the reduced costs there's really no downside.
76 posted on 04/01/2003 9:26:41 AM PST by Looper
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To: JohnHuang2
According to the General Accounting Office, 64 percent of college students graduate with student-loan debt, and the average student-loan debt is $19,400. After they join the work force, their monthly payments take at least 8 percent of their income.

This burden is even higher because more than half of student borrowers take out the more expensive unsubsidized loans. Surveys show that students often underestimate the total cost of their loans, forgetting about the interest, which over time can almost double the amount of the loan.

The use of credit cards by mostly unemployed college students is another current phenomenon. The average credit-card debt of undergraduate students is $2,748, and of graduate students is $4,776. The average student is carrying three credit cards, and 32 percent have four or more.

Great. This will certainly help prepare for the dissolution of Social Securiy, raise a family and pay the bills on time. Also the reason many post grad students have so much credit card debt is NOT due to splurging on crap but as we have very little disposable income for such things as groceries and car payments, we're boxed in.

77 posted on 04/01/2003 9:27:14 AM PST by KantianBurke (The Federal govt should be protecting us from terrorists, not handing out goodies)
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To: zuggerlee
Given the high rape incidence for white female undergraduates at the University of Chicago, we vetoed that school for our daughter.
78 posted on 04/01/2003 9:32:51 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: LibertarianLiz
Consistent with what I hear. Our younger daughter seems to be conservatory bound (trumpet) and it's scary. We're trying encourage here to do a liberal arts college with a conservatory, rather than a free-standing conservatory. Cost will be a factor, but we'll see.
79 posted on 04/01/2003 9:36:05 AM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: CatoRenasci
University of Rochester has the Eastman School of Music, very fine. V's wife.
80 posted on 04/01/2003 10:42:38 AM PST by ventana
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