Is Diversity Overrated? (NY Times Column--NO BARF!)

NY Times Op-Ed ^ | 3-29-03 | STANLEY ROTHMAN

[LOC1]

Consider the University of Texas or Texas A&M. She will receive a good quality education, at a reasonable cost, without nearly so much PC stuff.

[Spyder]

Thanks - I'll have her check out their architecture programs. We've lived off and on in TX and still vote there, though once my husband retires in 2005 we'll have to lose that in-state status. UH (Hawaii) has an architectural program, but in discussions with architects we've met, it's not particularly highly regarded.

[dark_lord]

To find out, in 1999 we surveyed a random sample of more than 1,600 students and 2,400 faculty members and administrators at 140 American colleges and universities, asking them to evaluate the quality of education at their institution, the academic preparation and work habits of the student body, the state of race relations on campus and their own experiences of discrimination. Then we correlated their responses with the proportion of black students attending each institution, based on government statistics.

And the problem is revealed -- "diversity" is a code word for "black".

My personal perspective from the military, university, and business is that diversity overall is a very good thing - as long as diversity is understood as having a mixture of ethnic groups, "races", religions, geographical origins, and gender. Having worked with teams composed of hispanics from the southwest, "mountain people" from the kentucky hills, mormons, pakis, Indians, cowboys (goat-ropers), etcetera -- I can tell you that a diverse team is a strong team. So I have no objections to true diversity -- it is a lot of fun.

[Pharmboy]

Excellent point.

[MainFrame65]

I haven't checked it out personally, but I have heard some good things about Pepperdine.

[Spyder]

I don't see that Pepperdine has an architectural program. Also, I think it's above our price range unless she gets mostly a free ride via scholarships... possible with her grades, SAT scores, and extracurricular activities but less likely because of our income and race.

[quitwhining]

Cal Poly San Luis Obispo. Gorgeous campus, long history of strong arkkie program. A great value for the money, always highly rated in the yearly college rankings.

And yes, I went there >;->

[Michael2001]

If we're all equal, why would racial diversity increase education?

[Spyder]

I briefly checked their website - I'd have to add up and compare fees, though, since we definitely couldn't be considered residents there (CA). It does have the 5-year program she wants, and that is a gorgeous area. Thanks for the heads up! UT Austin looks like a good option, too, and we have friends in Killeen, about 60 miles from there.

[Pharmboy]

As you very well know, it is difficult to avoid the liberal monopoly on higher education. And, as I am also sure you know as a Freeper, a well-prepared kid can withstand the onslaught. Two of my kids have already graduated college (one's a Freeper; my Cornell graduate is a staunch Republican young woman). There aren't many places worse than Cornell.

I'm sure yours will do fine.

[cyborg]

STOP SOUNDING SO INTELLIGENT!

[Henrietta]

"A higher level of diversity is associated with somewhat less educational satisfaction and worse race relations among students."

Well, that seems obvious. When you have a critical mass of people on campus obsessed with nurturing a permanent racial grievance, race relations are going to be worse. And they're going to bitch until things are dumbed down enough so that they can get grades commensurate with what they think they deserve.

[CGTRWK]

Diversity has come to mean forced proximity with bitter seperatists whose goal usually seeems to be shocking and offending the mainstream to show off how different they are. Noone needs a study to figure out that this is hardly beneficial to people around them.

If this kind of diversity were a good thing, it wouldn't need to be forced on people without discussion.

[exDemMom]

But it is a foretaste of what will happen to all of us if the grip of the cultural left is not removed from our institutions.

This reminds me of the story about the mice afraid of a cat, who decided that tying a bell on the cat would be a perfect solution to their problem. The only hitch was that none of the mice wanted to be the one to tie the bell to the cat.

Likewise, how are we to wrest our colleges and universities away from the socialist/communist left that has had a stranglehold on them for so many decades?

[tiki]

If diversity and forced equality worked there would be no racial strife in America.

[Spyder]

Thanks. I don't worry at all about her getting indoctrinated - she knows more about politics than most college students and has a pretty strong stance on her views. She can always log on to FreeRepublic for a dose of common sense if she needs it as well. The worry would probably be more that a radical lefty teacher would grade her down because of her political views, though she does know to keep them to herself around such individuals.

[dix]

Try Rice, it has one of the best schools of architecture, and even though it has a lib element, a conservative can be perfectly happy there. Also check into Baylor, I’m not sure if they have a school of architecture, though. Forget about UT. Austin is a liberal cesspool.

[dix]

Hello, homeboy. Why don’t you come to one of our local Houston Chapter Of Freerepublic meetings? Here’s the link HoustonLiberty.com. to our local website. I think you will like what you see.

BTW it was the Stop- N-Go at the corner of Shepherd, and Vermont across the street from the club. LOL

[Spyder]

I don't see that Rice has a 5-year Bachelor of Architecture, but I'll have the daughter take a look. I know Austin is a liberal hotbed, but it's not that far up to Killeen to escape it occasionally. She really liked the look of the Cal Poly site, and it isn't as expensive as I would have thought.

[dix]

Be sure to look into Rice, and it’s history. They are a very prestigious college, and US News And World Report always rates them among the best buys in higher education. You get what is the equivalent of an Ivy League education at an affordable price. FYI they are very generous about giving scholarships because Rice is a very wealthy university.

I am in real estate in the historical neighborhoods in Houston, and The Rice Design Alliance is the final word about all things architectural in Texas, and the degree carries a lot of weight.