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To: Luis Gonzalez
"The Islamic view of the world is that man is inherently good. If man is depraved by society, then any government can create a perfect society by enforcing Islamic law."

Fatal Flaw Bump.

3 posted on 03/27/2003 8:29:37 AM PST by Uncle Miltie (Wheat is Murder! (Tilling slaughters worms.....))
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To: Brad Cloven
Which part?
4 posted on 03/27/2003 8:32:23 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (The Ever So Humble Banana Republican)
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To: Brad Cloven
bttt
11 posted on 03/27/2003 8:41:25 AM PST by TLBSHOW
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To: Brad Cloven
"The Islamic view of the world is that man is inherently good. If man is depraved by society, then any government can create a perfect society by enforcing Islamic law."

I agree with your identification of the "Fatal Flaw" in that it agrees with God's Word regarding our inherent nature:

Sin entered God's perfect world when Adam and Eve gave in to the temptation offered by the Serpant, Satan.  Since then, all mankind is born in sin - (Psa 51:5 NKJV)  "Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, And in sin my mother conceived me."

All men, since the Fall into sin, are spiritually dead in sins - (Eph 2:1-3 NKJV) "And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, {2} in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, {3} among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others."

In our fallen state, we are inclined ONLY to evil - (Gen 6:5 NKJV) "Then the LORD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually."

(Gen 8:21 NKJV)  "And the LORD smelled a soothing aroma. Then the LORD said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done."

(Rom 8:7 NKJV)  "Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be."

In addition, there is a fatal flaw of logic in the statement (highlighted by bold text). If man is inherently good, how can he be depraved by society that is made up of "inherently good" people?

32 posted on 03/27/2003 9:22:10 AM PST by FatherOfLiberty (Tagline for rent. You can reach millions with your message.)
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To: Brad Cloven
Correct! Since the Muslims don't believe in Original Sin, they don't have the humble notion that salvation only comes from humility, seeking after a close and responsive walk after God, asking for his foregiveness. Looking for spiritual guidance on the daily basis. Not rote slavery to some distant law-giver. The Muslims thence have an extremely arrogant notion that man, being good, need only obey allah. And by their enforcing Islamic law, their perfect society, the Taliban's afghanistan, was realized. Which of course was Hell on Earth.
45 posted on 03/27/2003 9:44:22 AM PST by Paul Ross (From the State Looking Forward to Global Warming! Let's Drown France!)
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