[Luis Gonzalez]

A "false religion"?

Convince the 1 billion adherents of that notion.

Let's check the differences between the stances we all seem to hold on this subject, and I think it will clear up the picture once and for all.

1.Me:---Wants to find the person/s who attacked us on 9/11 and completely destroy him, and anyone who helped him.

2.Saber: Wants to escalate this into a clash of civilizations, a Holy Crusade, and is parsing the Quor'an to make the case.

3.AAABEST: Wants to escalate this into a clash of civilizations, a Holy Crusade, and is parsing the Quor'an to make the case.

4.Usama: Wants to escalate this into a clash of civilizations, a Holy Crusade, and is parsing the Quor'an to make the case.

[Luis Gonzalez]

Check out post #232.

It's a new game I invented.

I call it "Spot The Radical Fundamentalist Religious Extremist".

[Sabertooth]

2.Saber: Wants to escalate this into a clash of civilizations, a Holy Crusade, and is parsing the Quor'an to make the case.

Anyway, I keep forgetting you have a three hour head start on me. I'm sipping some Glenmorangie. You?

[SauronOfMordor]

The two main sides here seem to be the people who think that Osama and the terrorists are abberations having nothing to do with Islam per-se, versus the people who think that Islam is itself the root cause of Osama's acts

I'm in the latter group. To me, Osama is a mosquito and Islam is the swamp that will breed an endless supply of people like him. Swatting mosquitos is fine, but eventually you have to drain the swamp.

[MHGinTN]

1.Me:---Wants to find the person/s who attacked us on 9/11 and completely destroy him, and anyone who helped him.
2.Saber: Wants to escalate this into a clash of civilizations, a Holy Crusade, and is parsing the Quor'an to make the case.

Well Luis, you just couldn't resist, eh? Saber is not trying to make this into a 'Holy Crusade', he's just being rational in his perspective of Islamism. I happen to agree with the first portion of the sentence, that what we are witnessing IS a clasj of civilizations; Islam injects its totalitarian 'geist' into the adherents, and if you haven't come to that conclusion yet, don't slam Saber for having done so!

It might be instructive to consider the evolution of enlightenment in Islam as the world has changed, an evolution that may be seen in men like Mansoor Ijaz as juxtaposed with Osama bin Laden and the vast majority of the irrational Arab street mentality that feeds itself on hate and bloodlust. Islam as practiced by Mansoor Ijaz CAN co-exist with other religions; Islam as practiced by Osama and the street Arabs who chant and dance and scream for your blood and mine simply because we are free men of the West cannot and doe not desire to co-exist. That, my friend, is the stuff of clashing civilizations. Mansoor practices enlightened religion (albeit not to my taste and I shall continue to try and reach men such as Mansoor with the Salvation of Christ) that desires to worship in peace. Sadly, the demonic manifestation of radical Islamism shows that branch of Islam doesn't want to co-exist or live in peace. We are in a clash of civilizations when up against Islamism. I sincerely hope you can come to differentiate these manifestations of Islam; one will co-exist with you, until the other murders the peaceful Moslems and anything Western or non-Islamism.

[Kevin Curry]

[Luis Gonzalez]--Wants to find the person/s who attacked us on 9/11 and completely destroy him, and anyone who helped him.

Well, Muhammad wrote the Qu'ran, the handbook of violence that Osama has mastered. Moreover, Muhammad set the example by slaughtering tens of thousands of innocent men, women, and children to spread his religion. So, in a most powerful way, Muhammad inspired the attacks of 9/11.

Unfortunately, Muhammad is dead. So you'll have to settle on completely destroying the men he inspired.

Go get 'em. Luis. Make 'em pay.