More than Sodomy?

Salon Magazine ^ | Dana Berliner and Steve Simpson

[tessalu]

Homosexuals want to bring perversion mainstream, so we can be as Sodom, and if all are perverted, there will be no descrimination. I think of poor Lot in the Old Tesament, and I start feeling as he felt. 2 Peter 2
"4": For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;

"5": And spared not the old world, but saved Noah the eighth person, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood upon the world of the ungodly;

"6": And turning the cities of Sodom and Gomorrha into ashes condemned them with an overthrow, making them an ensample unto those that after should live ungodly;

"7": And delivered just Lot, vexed with the filthy conversation of the wicked:

"8": (For that righteous man dwelling among them, in seeing and hearing, vexed his righteous soul from day to day with their unlawful deeds;)

Yes, I feel "vexed" just hearing about it.

[Hodar]

Why not sex with or between minors or with animals in private too? Nobody is being "harmed".

These are covered by 'Statatory Rape' and 'Animal Cruelty' laws. This article concerns 'Consenting Adults'.

[Britton J Wingfield]

Count me as one conservative who believes that the government should NOT pass laws pertaining to restrictions on the private sexual behavior of two consenting adults.

I couldn't say it any better.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Ill-conceived upon what basis? That private indulgence in immorality must be given every lattitude by the civil law? Is that not essentially what you are arguing?

The majority of us have chosen not to live in a world with prostitutes on every corner and controlled drugs in our pharmacies.

It has been the unbending tactic of our socialist anti-Christian enemies to subvert majority rule through the courts and bring about the total corruption of society hand-in-hand with their corrupted judges. You are joining in with this brigade that brought us abortion on demand, instruction in fisting in public school "Health Class", the forbidding of public displays of religion, and cruel and unusual leniency towards vicious criminals and deviates.

The men on Stone Mountain would not join you in this fight.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

War on alcohol-Created organized crime...War on drugs-Drug use has never been high

This is certainly news to all the Organized Crime gangs that existed prior to 1920. As to drug use never being higher - I doubt it. Can you provide some evidence of that?

[carlo3b]

Count me as one conservative who believes that the government should NOT pass laws pertaining to restrictions on the private sexual behavior of two consenting adults.

OK, I'll void your vote, and bump ya 4 votes from my voting aged kids that feel the spread of this amoral dangerous deathstyle has had it's 15 minutes and 40 billion dollars already.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Children and animals are incapable of giving legal consent, as they lack the ability to make a rational legal choice. Adults on the other hand, have the ability to rationalize their decisions even if those decisions are in conflict with current law.

Aparently their rationalizing is none to good, since reason is meant to be used to choose what is right, not to salve our conscience over engaging in crimes.

I can rationalize commiting bodily harm on those who support legalized immorality. Will you support my petition to the Supreme Court to allow it?

[Hermann the Cherusker]

That's why you need to have a society based on a common moral perspective first, and why multiculturalism is so much nonesense. Many of our new Muslim citizens see nothing wrong with polygamy and sex with children.

The wrecking of the common American moral perspective by liberals was done with definite cause and is an enormous crime for which they cannot be forgiven. The restoration, should it ever occur, will require the suspending of all mercy towards these people. The liberal choice - "live in a society full of immorality - just don't do it yourself if you object" is no choice at all really.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

True. And look what happened to those Greeks and Romans and their Empires.

[Teacher317]

Just a thought: if the decide they can't regulate the private lives of consenting adults, couldn't the decision be used to support legalization of drugs? Same issues of potential private health risks to consenting adults that may contribute to secondary risks to society at large.

[Michael.SF.]

OK, I'll void your vote, and bump ya 4 votes from my voting aged kids that feel the spread of this amoral dangerous death style has had it's 15 minutes and 40 billion dollars already.

Your fighting a losing battle if you think you can defeat this 'amoral dangerous death style' by passing laws to stop it.

You defeat it by educating your children on moral behavior and good common sense, as I believe I have. I am not advocating the behavior, I just feel this is something between God and Man and not between the Government and Man.

[steve-b]

No one has a "right" to engage in immorality, regardless of consent.
From what little book of law did you pick this one out of?

Sounds like something from a certain little red book....

[steve-b]

Just to give one illustration of my point: If a man and woman voluntarily commit adultery go driving, and this adultery drive leads to the breakup death of one or more marriages of them, there are numerous possible consequences for society. One or more of the abandoned bereaved partners may go on welfare; there may be children who need foster care or who later develop behavioral problems stemming from the divorce death that require medical or police intervention; there will be public court costs associated with the divorce accident; publically-paid social workers may have to monitor treatment of the children and look after their welfare

Really, you must try harder. This is too easy!

[Heyworth]

Nicely done. I was trying to figure out how imprisoning them would avoid the same set of repercussions.

[jimt]

I think of poor Lot in the Old Tesament, and I start feeling as he felt.

"Poor Lot in the Old Testament" is about as lousy an example of morals as one can get. He offered his daughters "who had not known men" to the men of Sodom "to do with as you wish".

I'd call him a scumbag, but that'd be several steps up.

[steve-b]

Can you give some examples of legislatively sanctioned acts of immorality?

BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Have you been living in a cave next to Osama's bones?

How about the tax system (theft)? How about Waco (murder)? How about routine violations of the Constitution by public servants sworn to uphold it (bearing of false witness)?

[jmc813]

That's why you need to have a society based on a common moral perspective first

How do you propose we arrive there? Outlawing the Democratic Party?

[steve-b]

Indeed. Even Clinton might draw the line at peddling Chelsea to save his own ass.

[gcruse]

A bad ruling here also endangers laws in those areas, as well as for statutory rape and adultery.

Are you getting ahead of yourself?  Is adultery illegal?  Also, consenting adults  are in question, not statutory behavior.

[votelife]

if you want a break from the war, call your senators on Estrada or the tax cut...

Freepers, rather than waiting to see what happens with Estrada, we need to take the lead. That means presuring Senators, special interest groups, media organizations, etc. This thread is meant to be an ongoing effort to get this man confirmed. For too many years liberals have had their way on the courts. Now, President Bush is in a position to move the courts to the right. The election of '02 showed that the country is with the President. I think it's time to let Daschle, Hillary, and Pelosi know this is Bush country. Are you with me! Let's FREEP these people.

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