The Crescent and the Tricolor: Islamic influence in France (MUST READ)

The Atlantic Online ^ | November 2000 | Christopher Caldwell

[missycocopuffs]

Bumped and bookmarked for later :)

[narby]

After the Muslim who fragged the 101st officers, and the Muslim FBI agent who refused to wear a wire to a meeting with Sami Al Arian, I'm now very discusted with this "religion of peace".

These jerks can go back to their sand dunes. And I think its about time we used some of our nuclear technology, combined with some new hydrogen car fuel technology we need to develop, to put these idiots out of work.

Let us make oil worthless except to power antique cars.

[nwrep]

Bump

[nwrep]

BUMP

[Eowyn-of-Rohan]

Yes to all.

[sarcasm]

bttt

[TADSLOS]

I witnessed this first hand on a week long visit to Paris three years ago. Muslims are very prominent in Paris and the city shows evidence of their influence virtually everywhere.

[Davis]

Here's what the US thinks of France...Cartoon

[dogbyte12]

Cheese eating surrender monkey bump.

[Cicero]

Depressing. France is washed up.

[Gritty]

Islam envisions an Islamic state to protect its rights... This creates constant conflict between a state based on the Rights of Man and a religion that, strictly interpreted, holds that all legitimate political power flows from the Koran.

...the kernel of the problem.

[livius]

The Atlantic, no less! Very interesting article.

I was in Spain a week ago and I found that many Spaniards are concerned about the huge Muslim presence in France, which is much greater than in Spain. Worse still, if the birth rates continue as is, France will be majority Muslim by 2030. Maybe this is one of the reasons Spain (and Italy) supported the US?

[Ben Ficklin]

Another article dealing with the Muslim impact on France was posted last week:

Barbarians at the Gates of Paris

[ImaGraftedBranch]

bookmarked

[Loyalist]

Sometime in the next three years I plan to visit France, so I can tell my grandchildren that I saw Notre Dame, Chartres Cathedral and Lourdes before they became mosques.

[Maeve]

Muslim France -- ping.

[Reb Raider]

Whew...long one! :) France is a mess and needs to spend more time solving the mess they have made rather than worrying about the U.S. being the only super power. I found the reproductive rate discrepancy between the different races very telling of problems to come.

[Nowhere Man]

One of my high school chums went to study in France for a year. He was at the University of Strasbourg from 1988-89 but he took side trips every so often. He told me about Marseilles having a large Moslem population even then. His French roomate is very aloof at the direction France was going and he was very concerned about France going Moslem in his lifetime. I remember my friend telling me about the projects and subsidized housing they built up only to be vandalized within months of completion. The French don't look too good to me right now, but I have to sympathize with the ones like my friend's roomate and others who are worried about losing their national identity and being part of the Western bloc.

[rmlew]

"It's wrong to say that France has a single unique culture," he said. "In fact, the National Front is the movement in France that best defends multiculturalism. Let me explain. In your country especially there is a sort of destructive cultural imperialism, a global standardization of behavior, consumption, habits of thought, economic philosophy, that is causing European peoples to lose their identity. In defending our national identity we are protecting difference against standardization. The Islamic people loses its identity through the same process. We hope Muslims keep their roots, and don't try to integrate at the expense of them."

Lagane admitted that globalization has its merits. He should: he wears a stylish tattersall shirt, smokes Marlboro Lights, and does his writing on a brand-new Macintosh G3 laptop. (In fact, he left the Front just weeks after our talk, to start his own dot-com company.)"We're not against globalization," he said. "We're against a globalism that destroys the family and the nation." Certainly the National Front has changed since the early 1980s, when it tried to mix Reagan-Thatcher capitalism with a vociferous opposition to the then-prevalent high levels of immigration. The turning point seems to have been the Gulf War, in 1991, even today a staple of Le Pen's oratory, after which the movement adopted a virulently anti-capitalist stance and began to rail against American "imperialism," both economic and cultural. The new National Front seems to view Arabs as natural allies in a struggle against globalism, which it has traditionally viewed as American and Jewish. The Front is not against Israel, Lagane said (rather implausibly), only against its role, in cooperation with America, as policeman in the Middle East; what's more, he was heartened that "the Jewish community is evolving: it's now less viscerally led by left-wing Jews." He sounded almost like an old-style anti-American in his assurances that "the National Front has no quarrel with the American people."

It's worse than I thought. The Fronte Nationale has surrendered to the left. French nationalism now exists purely in opposition to the Anglo-Saxon Economics and the US. They are morphing into the fascists of the 1930's.