Grieving ANTIWAR families Attacking The President(VANITY)

[ChemistCat]

VENTING

I am doing a 180 here, so don't cite me on the Elizabeth Smart threads. You're right, you could make it appear I'm contradicting myself. That was apples, this is oranges. This is one time I feel bitterly compelled to attack some grieving family members.

Apparently some family members of our valiant servicemen and women think their loved ones joined the military to get education benefits. I cannot imagine bitter family members attacking the President and getting airtime in WWII or Korean war times.

My church on occasion loses young missionaries to accidents. Like the military, every effort is made to prevent such loss of life, but statistically, it's going to happen when you send people anywhere to do anything! All the more so when there are weapons and violence involved as an intrinsic part of what is being done.

There is nothing a 19-year-old can DO that isn't risky, including living at home as a couch potato. The military's job is to kill people and break things, and I am furious!!!!! at anyone who would demean their child's decision to serve his country, and undermine the morale of those who still fight.

It's natural for a person to be angry as part of the grieving process, and the anti-war-liberal-media is taking advantage of that when they broadcast this particular reaction. It's not news that a grieving father is angry he lost his son. That he has sufficient lack of judgment to use that as a chance to attack our President is pathetic. Did this sort of person not think, when his son joined the military AFTER 9/11, that there might be some real risk? Did he not realize that his SON was saying THE RISK IS WORTH IT when he voluntarily enlisted?

Were we drafting, I'd feel differently, but every man and woman who is serving volunteered. The educational bennies would not suffice for anyone who didn't fundamentally believe in serving his or her country. It's an insult to the dead to pretend they thought the military's mission was to keep them safe and get them that BA.

[Theyknow]

When did Clinton ever send troops into combat for any good reason? And don't gimme Bosnia because I think that's B.S.!

You have made my point. These people feel exactly
the same way about this action. There respect for the President’s decision is identical.

[TrueBeliever9]

I was told by Marines - who knew the score - that they were serving America. And that is how I believe many service men and women view their contribution. It is for America and what America stands for that they serve. The majority of Marines abide by a motto "God, Country and Family"

[Palladin]

Their children proved to be better human beings than their parents

Yup...you know the old analogy of the crabs in the barrel. The valiant young Marine who gave his life for his country had climbed out of the barrel to do something honorable.

The father is trying to drag his memory back down into the barrel....of illegitimacy and dishonor. He's probably annoyed that there's a wife in California who will get the GI insurance money.

[Office Manager]

Thank you, ChemCat. I was screaming the same thing at the television when I see the liberal media exploiting the grieving families. Many of us are with you in your concerns and outrage.

The dumbing-down of America is well underway.

[freekitty]

The liberal media is already piling it on. That's how they operate. They are like cobras waiting to strike. They have no feelings beyond mechanical.

[Theyknow]

Politics has become the personality. My frank opinion is that it was right to criticize Clinton and it is also right to criticize President Bush. Debate should be respectful and it is every Americans’ duty to become informed. Mine is a minority opinion, respect for institutions because the provide us with order is gone. There is no respect for the Presidency except by those who respect the President. The adage that reasonable minds can differ no longer applies.

[skr]

One would think there's plenty of news to go around without making a bitter family member's feelings into some sort of news flash. Makes as much sense as repeatedly reporting on weekly "anti-war" protests, which were never unexpected and are hardly representative of the vast majority of Americans. Now, I would be interested in how many of the protestors are sincere and how many are there for other reasons. That would be the real story.

[socal_parrot]

I heard the father back off of his original statement. I guess I am not amazed that it didn't get as much coverage.

[litany_of_lies]

“families who attack the Commander in Chief greatly dishonor their loved ones.”

“families who attack the Commander in Chief who is carrying out his Constitutional duties to the best of his abilities greatly dishonor their loved ones.”

NOBODY can defend X42's dereliction of duty and disregard for the oath he took. NO President before X42 came even CLOSE to being derelict in defending the Constitution as Commander in Chief, even Jimmy Carter (a few have crossed the line domestically, but that's a different matter). Kosovo had NOTHING to do with defending America. No President before X42 has ever so completely, sytematically, and to a large extent successfully weakened our military, which is why it took until now for us to have the strength to carry out this war.

X43 is specifically carrying out his Constitutional duties. The same people who are furiously trying to get antiwar comments from the dead soldiers' loved ones would be doing nothing of the kind if X42 was still in office.

[AmericanBabe]

Most of us aren't disagreeing that the father's loss and sense of grief are horrific, just his misplaced target of blame. Who knows, we might feel the same way if it happened to us, wanting to lash out at the first person we could?

BUT, during times of war, it's more prudent for everyone to think before they speak, which includes families of service members all the way to Hollywood celebrities.

[Theyknow]

"NOBODY can defend X42's dereliction of duty and disregard for the oath he took. NO President before X42 came even CLOSE to being derelict in defending the Constitution as Commander in Chief, even Jimmy Carter (a few have crossed the line domestically, but that's a different matter). Kosovo had NOTHING to do with defending America. No President before X42 has ever so completely, sytematically, and to a large extent successfully weakened our military, which is why it took until now for us to have the strength to carry out this war."

Don’t you get it? These people see President Bush every statement you made is identical to how they think. They are just as certain that President Bush is a criminal and the war has nothing to do with the stated reasons. There is no difference between the way we view Clinton and the way they view President Bush. None. There is no similarity between the way President Bush is viewed by those who support him and the view of those who despise him. The only way to understand the depth of their mistrust is to remember how you felt about Clinton.

[Osage Orange]

You wrote:

"I haven't found the media to be that liberal. I have been watching CBS and Ted Koppel has been extremely supportive of our presence there. Additionally, CNN seems to be quite objective. MSNBC however I find to be more left."

'''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

I disagree. And further more....I've found the media to be markedly flaming in their lean to port.

Your third sentence...did make me laugh out loud though.....:)

FWIW-

[arjay]

I have counseled with many people who have lost loved ones. It is quite normal for people to immediately lash out and say things they will later regret. Some people blame God, which is much worse than blaming a president.

It is best just to let them vent, forget what they say in the heat of the moment and wait for them to get themselves together. One should never let utterances in the midst of fresh grief be the last word.

[gcruse]

In this father's case, knowing he is black, how uniformly blacks voted for Gore, and seeing polls showing most blacks are against the war, I think there was so much anger against Bush before his son was killed that his reaction is tinged by a lot more than grief.

[Violette]

I'm glad I amused you. But I do have a brain and am capable of drawing my own conclusions. I agree that there has been some bias. But not nearly as much as I expected.

[Osage Orange]

It wasn't my intention to imply that you don't have a brain. Please let me apologize to you...if that is what you thought.

Although it is my firm belief..and it hasn't changed..that CNN is about as objective as Je$$e Jack$on. I'm sorry......if you see oranges, and I see lemons. That's life.

FWIW-