Seattle radio smacks down protester

Any pro-war, anti-hippy Freepers out here will want to listen to this clip. An Iraqi calls in to a Seattle talk show to rebut a protester's stance on the war.

The protester, I hardly need add, had absolutely no way to respond to the Iraqi’s very simple question.

This is a 2.3mb MP3 clip linked from my webserver. Let's just hope my bandwidth can stand up to the challenge!

This is my first post, so if the link doesn’t work, I’ll try to fix it.

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Who's Smarter?

by Cindy Osborne (unknown to me but I hope correct in the following)

The Hollywood group is at it again. Holding anti-war rallies, screaming about the Bush Administration, running ads in major newspapers, defaming the President and his Cabinet every chance they get, to anyone and everyone who will listen. They publicly defile them and call them names like "stupid", "morons", and "idiots". Jessica Lange went so far as to tell a crowd in Spain that she hates President Bush and is embarrassed to be an American.

So, just how ignorant are these people who are running the country? Let's look at the biographies of these "stupid", "ignorant", "moronic" leaders, and then at the celebrities who are castigating them:

President George W. Bush Received a Bachelors Degree from Yale University and an MBA from Harvard Business School. He served as an F-102 pilot for the Texas Air National Guard. He began his career in the oil and gas business in Midland in 1975 and worked in the energy industry until 1986. He was elected Governor on November 8, 1994, with 53.5 percent of the vote. In a historic re-election victory, he became the first Texas Governor to be elected to consecutive four-year terms on November 3, 1998 winning 68.6 percent of the vote. In 1998 Governor Bush won 49 percent of the Hispanic vote, 27 percent of the African-American vote, 27 percent of Democrats and 65 percent of women. He won more Texas counties, 240 of 254, than any modern Republican other that Richard Nixon in 1972 and is the first Republican gubernatorial candidate to win the heavily Hispanic and Democratic border counties of El Paso, Cameron and Hidalgo. (Someone began circulating a false story about his I.Q. being lower than any other President. If you believed it, you might want to go to Urban Legends.com and see the truth.)

Vice President Dick Cheney Earned a B.A. in 1965 and a M.A. in 1966, both in political science. Two years later, he won an American Political Science Association congressional fellowship. One of Vice President Cheney's primary duties is to share with individuals, members of Congress and foreign leaders, President Bush's vision to strengthen our economy, secure our homeland and win the War on Terrorism. In his official role as President of the Senate, Vice President Cheney regularly goes to Capital Hill to meet with Senators and members of the House of Representatives to work on the Administration's legislative goals. In his travels as Vice President, he has seen first hand the great demands the war on terrorism is placing on the men and women of our military, and he is proud of the tremendous job they are doing for the United States of America.

Secretary of State Colin Powell Educated in the New York City public schools, graduating from the City College of New York (CCNY), where he earned a Bachelor's Degree in geology. He also participated in ROTC at CCNY and received a commission as an Army second lieutenant upon graduation in June 1958. His further academic achievements include a Master of Business Administration Degree from George Washington University. Secretary Powell is the recipient of numerous U.S. and foreign military awards and decorations. Secretary Powell's civilian awards include two Presidential Medals of Freedom, the President's Citizens Medal, the Congressional Gold Medal, the Secretary of State Distinguished Service Medal, and the Secretary of Energy Distinguished Service Medal. Several schools and other institutions have been named in his honor and he holds honorary degrees from universities and colleges across the country.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld Attended Princeton University on Scholarship (AB, 1954) and served in the U.S. Navy (1954-57) as a Naval aviator. Congressional Assistant to Rep. Robert Griffin (R-MI), 1957-59; U.S. Representative, Illinois, 1962-69; Assistant to the President, Director of the Office of Economic Opportunity, Director of the Cost of Living Council, 1969-74; U.S. Ambassador to NATO, 1973-74; head of Presidential Transition Team, 1974; Assistant to the President, Director of White House Office of Operations, White House Chief of Staff, 1974-77; Secretary of Defense, 1975-77

Secretary of Homeland Security Tom Ridge Raised in a working class family in veterans' public housing in Erie. He earned a scholarship to Harvard, graduating with honors in 1967. After his first year at The Dickinson School of Law, he was drafted into the U.S. Army, where he served as an infantry staff sergeant in Vietnam, earning the Bronze Star for Valor. After returning to Pennsylvania, he earned his Law Degree and was in private practice before becoming Assistant District Attorney in Erie County. He was elected to Congress in 1982. He was the first enlisted Vietnam combat veteran elected to the U.S. House, and was overwhelmingly re-elected six times.

National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice Earned her Bachelor's Degree in Political Science, Cum Laude and Phi Beta Kappa, from the University of Denver in 1974; her Master's from the University of Notre Dame in 1975; and her Ph.D. from the Graduate School of International Studies at the University of Denver in 1981. (Note: Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a Bachelor's Degree in Political Science (Cum Laude). She earned a Master's Degree at the University of Notre Dame and a Doctorate from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in Political Science.)

She is a Fellow of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and has been awarded Honorary Doctorates from Morehouse College in 1991, the University of Alabama in 1994, and the University of Notre Dame in 1995. At Stanford, she has been a member of the Center for International Security and Arms Control, a Senior Fellow of the Institute for International Studies, and a Fellow (by courtesy) of the Hoover Institution.

So, who are these pompous, outspoken celebrity critics?

What is their education? What is their experience in affairs of State or in National Security? While I will defend to the death their right to express their opinions, I think that if they are going to call into question the intelligence of our leaders, we should also have all the facts on their education and background:

Barbra Streisand Completed High School Career: Singing and acting

Cher Dropped out of school in 9th grade. Career: Singing and acting

Martin Sheen Flunked exam to enter University of Dayton Career: Acting

Jessica Lange Dropped out college mid-freshman year Career: Acting

Alec Baldwin Dropped out of George Washington U. after scandal Career: Acting

Julia Roberts Completed High School Career: Acting

Sean Penn Completed High School Career: Acting

Susan Sarandon Degree in Drama from Catholic University of America in Washington, D.C. Career: Acting

Ed Asner Completed High School Career: Acting

George Clooney Dropped out of University of Kentucky Career: Acting

Michael Moore Dropped out first year University of Michigan. Career: Movie Director

Sarah Jessica Parker Completed High School Career: Acting

Jennifer Anniston Completed High School Career: Acting

Mike Farrell Completed High School Career: Acting

Janeane Garofelo Dropped out of College Career: Stand up comedienne

Larry Hagman Attended Bard College for one year Career: Acting

While comparing the education and experience of these two groups, we should also remember that President Bush and his cabinet are briefed daily, even hourly, on the War on Terror and threats to our security. They are privy to information gathered around the world concerning the Middle East, the threats to America, the intentions of terrorists and terrorist-supporting governments. They are in constant communication with the CIA, the FBI, Interpol, NATO, The United Nations, our own military, and that of our allies around the world. We cannot simply believe that we have full knowledge of the threats because we watch CNN.

These celebrities have no intelligence-gathering agents, no fact-finding groups, and no insight into the minds of those who would destroy our country. They only have a deep-seated hatred for all things Republican. By nature, and no one knows quite why, the Hollywood elitists detest Conservative views and anything that supports or uplifts the United States of America. The silence was deafening from the Left when Bill Clinton bombed a pharmaceutical factory outside of Khartoum, or when he attacked the Bosnian Serbs in 1995 and 1999. He bombed Serbia itself to get Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo, and not a single peace rally was held. When our Rangers were ambushed in Somalia and 18 young American lives were lost, not a peep was heard from Hollywood. Yet now, after our nation has been attacked on its own soil, after 3,000 Americans were killed by freedom-hating terrorists while going about their routine lives, they want to hold rallies against the war. Why the change? Because an honest, God-fearing Republican sits in the White House.

Another irony is that in 1987, when Ronald Reagan was in office, the Hollywood group aligned themselves with disarmament groups like SANE, FREEZE and PEACE ACTION, urging our own government to disarm and freeze the manufacturing of any further nuclear weapons, in order to promote world peace. It is curious that now, even after we have heard all the evidence that Saddam Hussein has chemical, biological and is very close to obtaining nuclear weapons, their is no cry from this group for HIM to disarm. They believe we should leave him alone in his quest for these weapons of mass destruction, even though it is certain that these deadly weapons will eventually be used against us in our own cities.

So why the hype out of Hollywood? Could these celebrities believe that since they draw such astronomical salaries, they are entitled to also determine the course of our Nation? That they can make viable decisions concerning war and peace? Did Michael Moore have the backing of the Nation when he recently thanked France, on our behalf, for being a "good enough friend to tell us we were wrong"? I know for certain he was not speaking for me. Does Sean Penn fancy himself a diplomat, in going to Iraq when we are just weeks away from war? Does he believe that his high school diploma gives him the knowledge (and the right) to go to a country that is controlled by a maniacal dictator, and speak on behalf of the American people? Or is it the fact that he pulls in more money per year than the average American worker will see in a lifetime? Does his bank account give him clout?

The ultimate irony is that many of these celebrities have made a shambles of their own lives, with drug abuse, alcoholism, numerous marriages and divorces, scrapes with the law, publicized temper tantrums, etc. How dare they pretend to know what is best for an entire nation! What is even more bizarre is how many people in this country will listen and accept their views, simply because they liked them in a certain movie, or have fond memories of an old television sitcom!

It is time for us, as citizens of the United States, to educate ourselves about the world around us. If future generations are going to enjoy the freedoms that our forefathers bequeathed us, if they are ever to know peace in their own country and their world, to live without fear of terrorism striking in their own cities, we must assure that this nation remains strong. We must make certain that those who would destroy us are made aware of the severe consequences that will befall them.

Yes, it is a wonderful dream to sit down with dictators and terrorists and join hands, singing Cumbaya and talking of world peace. But it is not real.. We did not stop Adolf Hitler from taking over the entire continent of Europe by simply talking to him. We sent our best and brightest, with the strength and determination that this Country is known for, and defeated the Nazi regime. President John F. Kennedy did not stop the Soviet ships from unloading their nuclear missiles in Cuba in 1962 with mere words. He stopped them with action, and threat of immediate war if the ships did not turn around. We did not end the Cold War with conferences. It ended with the strong belief of President Ronald Reagan... PEACE through STRENGTH.

Mohammed: How exactly will leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq?

[Six-second pause.]

Andrea Buffa: Um, again, what I need to say is …

Andrea (with Mohammed): … that regime change … listen, regime change, regime change has been issued to the Iraqi …
Mohammed (with Andrea): No, you are not listening. How exactly will leaving Saddam …

Andrea: … people. How will b … how will bombing Iraq help bring peace into …

Andrea (with Mohammed): and bombing thousands of people and killing thousands of innocent people and …
Mohammed (with Andrea): I will explain it to you, if you would like me to answer your question, since you are choosing not to answer mine.

Bryan Suits: Okay, let him, let him …

Bryan (with Mohammed): … let him explain, let Mohammed explain how bombing will work …
Mohammed (with Bryan): then you are choosing, then you are choosing to play ping pong, and not answer my question, little girl. I will answer yours. There will be civilian deaths in the war. Saddam has killed two million people. There are families here in this country who lost forty or thirty people on one day in a gas attack by Saddam Hussein, little girl.

[Andrea laughs in background.]

Mohammed: And I will tell you this: yes, civilians will die. My cousins will die, maybe, Allah forbid. But here is a certainty that you do not understand in your simplistic, nickelodeon diplomacy, is that you are guaranteed to have civilians die under Saddam. So now, you try again to answer my question, without playing the ping-pong: how does leaving Saddam in power promote peace and justice in Iraq?

[Two-second pause.]

Andrea: I mean, I guess what folks who listen to this show are saying, or who are calling in —

Mohammed: I am not asking what folks listening to this show say …

Andrea: You know —

Mohammed: Can you answer the question, little girl?

Andrea: Ha ha ha …

Mohammed: Oh, now you laugh at people dying?

Mohammed (with Andrea): You are unable to answer the question.
Andrea (with Mohammed): Well, yeah, well, what I'm laughing at …

Andrea: … is that it seems like you need to, um, personally …

Andrea (with Mohammed): … attack me to make your point …
Mohammed (with Andrea): I do not want advice from you.

Mohammed: I am not giving …

Mohammed (with Bryan): … you advice …
Bryan (with Mohammed): Well, I, I …

Andrea (with Mohammed): What I want to say …
Mohammed (with Andrea): I am answering your question …

Bryan: Mohammed, Mohammed, let me, let me pose it this way: Andrea, I have the feeling that if you just answer his question, he'll be happy.

Andrea: Ha ha ha ha …

Bryan: And I'm, by the way, I'm not baited by your laughter.

Mohammed: You know that …

Mohammed (with Andrea): … laughter in the background?
Andrea (with Mohammed): Yeah, what I believe is that bombing and killing people …

Andrea (with Mohammed): … is not going to bring peace and justice. What I, what I also believe is there is there are other alternatives if we can pursue …
Mohammed (with Andrea): You can't answer the question. You are a joke. You are a joke. You cannot answer the question. You cannot answer the question. You are a joke.

Andrea: Ah —

Mohammed (with Bryan): You are a joke. I will give you one more chance, and then I never listen to a word you say again, you chirping bird.
Bryan (with Mohammed): How, how, how …

Bryan: … will promoting peace … how can you promote peace and justice without removing Saddam?

Andrea (with Bryan): Okay, and I also just want to say that although you are, um …
Bryan (with Andrea): That's his question. It's real simple, Andrea.

Andrea: And what I'm saying … ha ha ha …

Bryan: You're not answ …

Bryan (with Mohammed and Andrea): Ha ha ha …
Mohammed (with Andrea and Bryan): Listen to the …
Andrea (with Bryan and Mohammed): No!

Mohammed (with Bryan): … laughter of this little bird …
Bryan (with Mohammed): Hey, [exhales], I …

Andrea (with Mohammed): … you guys …
Mohammed (with Andrea): … who must despise herself.

Andrea (with Bryan): I don't, I don't think …
Bryan (with Andrea): I don't know, I don't … I'm trying so hard, Andrea.

Andrea: I don't think that, you know, calling somebody a little bird is going to help address the serious questions that millions of …

Andrea (with Mohammed): … people are worried about …
Mohammed (with Andrea): You do not answer the serious questions.

Andrea: … millions of people are worried about the consequences of a war, okay? Millions of …

Mohammed (with Andrea): No, I am not okay …
Andrea (with Mohammed): People are worried about the …

Mohammed: … with you not answering the question.

Andrea:… bombing and killing many people and millions of people are worried about …

Andrea (with Bryan): …increasing security for us, the people in the United States if we go to war, and additionally, I don't, um …

Bryan (with Andrea): Sure, sure, sure, I, we're, we're, we're retreading the same territory, the, the, yeah, we're retreading …

Bryan (with Mohammed): … but you're not, you're not …
Mohammed (with Bryan): You're a posturing little girl.

Bryan (with Andrea): You're, you're not answering the question, Andrea.
Andrea (with Bryan): Ha ha ha.

Bryan: Andrea, Andrea, you can continue to petutantly gale …

Andrea: Well …

Bryan (with Andrea): … in laughter, but you're, you have to admit …
Andrea (with Bryan): I'm, I'm …

Bryan (with Andrea): … you're not answering his question. It's a simple question …
Andrea (with Bryan): … well, I'm, I'm laughing at him calling me a little girl.

Andrea (with Bryan): and I think that you guys are being …
Bryan (with Andrea): You're coming off, you're coming off like my 9-year-old niece.

[Brief silence.]

Andrea: The only, it seems like the only focus that we can have here is Saddam Hussein, and the fact is that Iraq …

Andrea (with Mohammed and Bryan): … and that the people
Mohammed (with Andrea and Bryan): That is the focus of the war.
Bryan (with Andrea and Mohammed): Well … the …

Andrea (with Mohammed): … who are going to be killed in the bombing campaign …
Mohammed (with Andrea): Do you understand one thing about anything?

Andrea (with Mohammed and Bryan): … and what I said before is that …
Mohammed (with Andrea and Bryan): That is the focus of the war.
Bryan (with Andrea and Mohammed): Cur — cur — curiously, Andrea, you're …

Andrea: … there are alternatives, and …

Bryan: Yeah, alright, but curiously, you're talking to a guy from Iraq, and you're telling him that peace and justice will somehow remove the guy that is the reason he had to emigrate here. [Pause.] Is that what you're saying?

Andrea: What I'm saying is that …

Mohammed: Now, she precedes herself again …

Andrea: … is that true peace and justice for the Iraqi people through international law, through diplomacy …

Mohammed (with Andrea): International law has failed, Andrea.
Andrea (with Mohammed): … through pressure, through …

Andrea: … various different initiatives. If we can pursue them in North Korea, if we can pursue them in Israel and Palestine, and all over the world, we can pursue them in Iraq.

Mohammed (with Bryan): And can I say one more …
Bryan (with Mohammed): Go …

Mohammed (with Bryan and Andrea): … thing before I go …
Andrea (with Bryan and Mohammed): And, and, I also …
Bryan (with Andrea and Mohammed): No, no, no, no …

Andrea (with Bryan): No! I …
Bryan (with Andrea): An-, An-, Andrea, Mohammed has to go, he's a …

Andrea (with Bryan): Ha ha ha ha ha …
Bryan (with Andrea): … caller, he gets to go …

Bryan: … You've been on, uh, for 45 minutes.

Mohammed (with Bryan): I'm going to be, I …
Bryan (with Mohammed): Go ahead, ahead …

Mohammed: One more thing, please, Bryan.

Bryan: Yeah, go ahead.

Mohammed: If you, if you personally end up going to the Gulf, Allah will bless you, because Saddam is a pretend Muslim, and everybody knows this.

Bryan: Yeah.

Mohammed: And for the listeners who hear this girl, and she thinks that I insult her with the term, I do not insult her. Being a little girl is natural. We all start out children, and we learn and grow. But she has no point lecturing me on what will happen in Iraq, or lecturing you. This is why this so-called peace movement … they cannot even justify their own name. And I will remind you, if they leave Saddam in power they guarantee that … if he is removed, there will be some, but for a short time. And the Iraqi people are ready, and they will welcome the Americans, including if, Allah forbid, Bryan, uh, Suites, go. So, Andrea, do not take it as being an insult that you are a little girl. You are simply not ready for the adult world. Thank you, Bryan.

Bryan: Uh, thank you, Mohammed. What he's referring to, Andrea, is that tomorrow …

Andrea: Uh —

Bryan: … tomorrow night is my final night here on KVI. My, I, I'm being called up by the Army National Guard. I was in the first Desert Storm. I pray to God I'm not in the second one. I just wonder, as they say, in 10 years … will people shake my hand and say 'thanks for my freedom'? Or will they shake your hand? Neither you nor I know.

M: Mohammed
A: Andrea
B: Brian

M: How exactly will leaving Saddam in power, promote peace and justice in Iraq?

A: Um, again, what I need to say is that

A: regime change is that - regime change is the issue to the Iraqi people. How will, how will bombing Iraq help bring peace and justice and bombing people and killing thousands of innocent people -

M: [talking over] no, no, now, stop evading; how exactly will leaving Saddam... I will explain it to you, I'll be glad to answer your questions but you are choosing not to answer mine

B: Let him, let him, let him explain, let Mohammed explain how bombing will work

M: [talking over]

M: Since you are choosing to play ping-pong, and not answer my question, little girl, I will answer yours. There were three civilian deaths in the war. Saddam has killed two million people. There are families here in this country who lost 20 or 30 people on one day in a gas attack by Saddam Hussein, little girl. And I will tell you this: yes, civilians will die; my cousins will die, maybe, Allah forbid. But here's a certainty that you do not understand in your simplistic Nickelodeon diplomacy: is that you are guaranteed to have civilians die under Saddam. So now you try again to answer my question without playing the ping-pong: how does leaving Saddam in power, promote peace and justice in Iraq?

A: Uh, I guess, what folks who listen to this show are saying, I hear are calling in, are saying -

M: I'm not asking what folks who are listening to this show say -

A: you know -

M: can you answer the question, little girl?

A: [laughs]

M: Oh now you laugh at people dying

A: Well no, what I'm -

M: [talking over] you're unable to answer the question!

A: What I'm laughing at, is that it seems like you need to, um, personally attack me to make your point.

M: I do not want advice from you; I'm not giving you advice.

B/A/M: [talking over]

B: Mohammed, Mohammed, let me pose this way: Andrea, I have the feeling, that if you just answer his question, he'll be happy.

A: (laughs)

B/A/M: [talking over]

A: What I believe, is, that bombing and killing people is not going to bring peace and justice. What I, what I also believe, is that there are other alternatives, if we can pursue -

M: [talking over] You're not going to answer the question, you're a joke! You are a joke, you cannot answer the question! You cannot answer the question, you are a joke, you are a joke! I will give you one more chance and then I'll never listen to a word you say again, you chirping bird.

B/A/M: [talking over]

B: How will - how can you promote peace and justice without removing Saddam? That's his question, it's real simple, Andrea.

A: Uh what I (ha, ha, ha)

M: [talking over] Listen to the laughter of this little bird, how she classifies herself -

B: [talking over] I don't see why it's so hard, Andrea -

A: [talking over] I don't think that calling somebody a little bird is going to help address the serious questions that millions of people are worried about.

M: [talking over] You don't want to answer [?] the serious questions!

A: People are worried about the consequences of a war. OK, millions of people are -

M: [talking over] No, I am not OK with you not answering the questions!

A: [talking over] [something] bombing and killing many people, and millions of people are worried about increasing security threats to people in the United States if we get a war. And additionally, I don't, uh -

B: [talking over] Sure, sure, sure, I, we, we're retreading the same territory, that, that, yeah, we're retreading, but -

M: [talking over] You're got blustering [?], little girl -

A: (laughs)

B: You're not answering the question, Andrea. Andrea, Andrea, you can continue to petulantly gale in laughter, but you have to admit, you're not answering his question, simple question. What, you're coming off, you're coming off like my 9 year old niece!

A: [talks over] The only, it seems like the only focus that we can have here, is Saddam Hussein, and the fact is that Iraq -

M/A: [talk over]

M: [talks over] That is the focus of the war! Do you understand one thing about anything? That is the focus of the war!

A: [talks over]

B: Curiously, Andrea, you're, you're -

A: [talks over] there are alternatives -

B: [talks over]

B: Yeah, alright, but curiously, you're talking to a guy from Iraq, and you're telling him that peace and justice will somehow remove the guy that is the reason he had to emigrate here. Is that what you're saying?

A: What I'm saying is that -

M: Now she repeats herself again!

A: You should pursue peace and justice to the Iraqi people, through international law, through diplomacy -

M: [talks over] International law failed, Andrea!

A: [talks over] through pressure, through various different initiatives, if we can pursue them in North Korea, if we can pursue them in Israel and Palestine, and all over the world, we can pursue them in Iraq.

M: I've got to say one more thing before I -

A: and, and, I also

B: Andrea, Mohammed has to go, he's a caller, he gets to go, you've been on the -

M: I got to say one more thing please, Brian. If you, if you personally end up going to the Gulf, Allah will bless you, because Saddam is a prit animal slug [? phonetic], and everybody knows this. And for the listeners who hear this girl, and she thinks I insult her with the term, I do not insult her, being a little girl is natural! We all start out children, and we learn and grow. But she has no point lecturing me on what will happen in Iraq, or lecturing you, this is why this so called peace movement, they cannot even justify their own name. And, I will remind you, if they leave Saddam in power, they guarantee death. If he is removed, there will be some, but for a short time, and the Iraqi people are ready and they will welcome the Americans, including if, Allah forbid, Brian, a suits goes [? phonetic]. So Andrea, do not take it as being an insult that you are a little girl; you are simply not ready for the adult world. Thank you Brian.

B: Thank you Mohammed. What he's referring to, Andrea, is tomorrow night is my final night here on KVI. My, uh, I, I'm, being called up by the Army National Guard. I was in the first Desert Storm;I pray to God I'm not in the second one, I just wonder, as they say, in ten years will people shake my hand and say "thanks for my freedom," or will they shake your hand. Neither you nor I nor - know.

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