***Operation Iraqi Freedom - Situation Room - Day 2-LIVE THREAD***

21 March 2003 | An.American.Expatriate

[An.American.Expatriate]

Good Morning.

This is the continuation Thread of Operation Iraqi Freedom - Day 1- LIVE THREAD.

It is designed for general conversation about the events of the day. In depth discussion of events should be left to individual threads - but links to the threads or other articles is highly encouraged. This allows us to stay abreast of the situation in general, while also providing a means of obtaining specific information.

To all who helped this get started yesterday, thank you!

[cactusSharp]

47 yr old HIM type of persuasion....and a dislocated Texan in Phoenix

[Cboldt]

War was declared. Plus, invoking legal arguments is something the victor does, not the loser.

[gop212]

back at me. well done.

[null and void]

I'm guessing several countries will experience "delays" in getting "their" foreign aid...

[SW6906]

"The U-S military aid to Nigeria is relatively small, amounting to less than seven-million dollars over the past year."

If $7 million is "relatively small", send me some of it - I'd take half that and be happy.....

[SoldiersGirl]

woah..
dead vice president (can't spell it)

[Anomaly in Illinois]

So, maybe Sadaam's speech on wed. night was so odd because he was injured/ in shock.

[ztiworoh]

War was not declared actually, but you see the liberals are not the loser, they too are Americans (barely) and could try to say he violated the order, its a tough call, but they're dumb enough

[Otta B Sleepin]

SH would never have admitted the possibility of Iraqi POWs. This can't be the real thing.

[cactusSharp]

really think it is SH ?

[justshe]

And where does an ambulance go? Is there a private medical facility built just for SH and his family? I would bet we must have intel on that factoid......?

[SoldiersGirl]

Have we considered possibly that he was indeed wounded in the attack, and later died from said wounds?

[Cboldt]

Damn. I was SO relying on that 50 million payout from Nigeria

[ztiworoh]

VP Ramadan, like the Holy Month

[austex]

so my masters degree is in international relations - here is a portion of a study that I wrote - maybe this will help explain international law a bit in regard to war The Hague conference attempted to even define belligerents and means of injuring an enemy. Article one states: The laws rights and duties of war apply not only to armies, but also to militia and volunteer corps fulfilling the following conditions: 1) to be commanded by a person responsible for his subordinates; 2) to have a fixed distinctive emblem recognizable at a distance; 3) to carry arms openly; and 4) to conduct their operations in accordance with the laws and customs of war The irony of this is it does not take into account that most attacks in acts of war are surprise attacks - an oft - utilized military tactic negating the distinctive emblem proviso. In addition, rarely do aggressors conduct their operations in accordance with the laws of war seeing as how the Hague Conference prohibits war therefore if it is illegal why would they follow rules that they have already broken by engaging. The UN charter maintains that every nation has a right to self –defense in Article 51 while it vehemently condemns aggressive acts of war. However, an aggressive attack could feasibly be to counteract an imminent attack in which case it would be considered self-defense as in the Israeli Six Day war. There are not provisions for exceptions such as these. If one were to truly speculate on acts of war it seems as though most wars would be an exception to the traditional notion of war. While treaties and covenants attempt to make rules and define acceptable measures of human conduct, one cannot account for every nuance involved in acts of war and self –defense and thus the laws are almost rendered ineffective because of the paradox that exists within states that are engaged in conflict.

[gop212]

just trying to keep it fair. I have friends in Scottsdale.

[SW6906]

Let's have the admins lock this thread so people don't keep it going all day alongside the new one....