San Francisco protestors blocking up all traffic?

KFBK ^ | 3-20-03 | KFBK

[Uncle Jaque]

I hope this KommieBabe didn't just load up on sour milk and ipecac... this Gendarme' might regret putting her in this hold that close to his face! (If ya hear a "*BURP*-gurgle"...DUCK!)

[CyberAnt]

I wonder how they'll feel if a terrorist manages to blow something up because they have hamstrung the police. It's not a nice picture.

[Joe Hadenuf]

The nose is all wrong....Not even close.....

[Uncle Jaque]

Re. The Fire Dept. cutting through the cuff-tubes;

They didn't issue those "Protestors" protective eye goggles!

Don't they know that if one of those Komrades gets a chunk of hot metal in their eye, it's going to cost the taxpayers of this town a cool $Mil (at least)?

One of the reasons, I think, why most trapped Motorists resist the temptation to mow a swath through this sea of human debries is that they know what the Lawyers and Judges will do to them if they as much as bump one of 'em.

And those of you thinking "Pepper Spray"; isn't the posession / use of that by mere Subjects prohibited in the People's Republik of Kalifornia?

Try Flitzing one of these pukes with some and see how long YOU cool your heels in the hoosegow while the "black bloc" thugs are out on bail partying.
If a couple hundred Peaceniks don't beat you to death before the LEO can arrest you, that is.

I like the Fire Hose idea, though; Think:

3-inch line...

Charged; 150 PSI...

Big, brass nozzle...

4 rugged Firefighters (Do you have that many in CA or will you need to borrow a few from NYC?; 1 on the line, 1 on the nozzle, 2 to hold the "specimen"...

PEACE ENEMA!!!

Won't it be fun to see how far down the Street they fly after you charge 'em up and turn 'em loose?

Better keep yer turnout gear buttoned up when ya launch 'em!

(Aim 'em for Iraq, won't ya guys?)

[Uncle Jaque]

By the Way;...

I don't know without a closer examination, but by the looks of most of these Peace Maggots, I'd say that their thrust nozzle is a whole lot bigger than their warhead.

Oh HANS!!??

We need an "Inspection" here...

[Wisc Paul]

Listen to Micheal Savage on radio right now on this topic - he's hot!

[I still care]

Nope, as far as they are concerned, it would be Bush's fault. If California fell into the sea it would be Bush's fault. And if Saddam Hussein came over and personally flew a plane into the Golden Gate, it would STILL be Bush's fault.

[Sawman from Phoenix]

Disruption of commerce, diversionary tactics to dilute law enforcement during a high state of terrorist alert - I suggest that the FBI examine the residences of these vermin to find their Al Queda friends.

[Robert A Cook PE]

Even more so, Foxnews is reporting that one group of protestors plan to meet outside and military base and break into it. When asked about this, the military officials said that the guards are ordered to "shoot to kill."

Yes! but apparently you don't even need the military to get rid of some of these idiots. One protestor committed suicide by jumping off the San Francisco Bridge.

[CrimeOf73]

Mike the Conservative signed up 2003-03-20.

Welcome to Free Republic.

[Sally II]

-DAng, I knew Michael Savage would have loads to say about this, and I missed it. I'm sure he'll still have plenty more to say about the protestors tomorrow. :o)

[Sally II]

Not that I see cops at work all the time, but I've never seen a cop use that kind of hold on a person before. What's the deal? It looks like he has her by the jaw. Is that an effective control hold?

[bootless]

Isn't that how you get a cat to swallow a pill?

[EBUCK]

Yah, pretty effective on smaller targets. The bigger they get the harder it is to restrain them that way.

[Uncle Jaque]

Re the Police "hold":

Notice that he is not putting any pressure on her trachea (airway); this is one of many "pressure point" techniques sometimes used to help "persuade" an uncooperative Prisoner (if you use ANY of this sort of physical force, it had better be justified and the person had better be under arrest, by the way) to go where you want them to go - in this case, probably out of the street and into the Paddy Wagon.

There is a similar hold by which the carotid artery can be temporaraly compromised, causing the antagonist to black out - which will usually take the fight right out of them... - but a professional would never use such a technique... not with the cameras about, any way. And it would never be justified in the case of a "passive" resistor, as this young woman appears to be.

Besides, it looks way too much like he's trying to strangle the poor Sweetie. I know, from being in the business (long ago) that he's not, but I would never use such a hold... at least not with so many cameras around!

When dealing with an "active resistor" - who wants to put up a fight - there are better ways to do it, anyway. I used to be rather partial to a modified "Japanese Four" with the riot baton from behind - particularly useful when peeling some thug off of your Partner. It has the added advantage of getting them off balance, and you can quickly take them down to street level, where the Reporter's camera probably won't see what you're doing with him down there for 30 seconds or so while your aggreived Partner has a word with them.

Poor sap; went face-first into the asphalt; what a mess! Let me rub that nose briskly with a towel before we pitch you into the van, there, Komrade! Those handcuffs tight enough?
Thought so. Have a nice trip!

There are other techniques that work as well, but are more discrete - one I used to like is a hand laid gently alongside each side of the base of the head while you "help the poor creature up"; unless the cameras or bleeding-hearts are right on top of you they might not notice your "social" fingers folded back under your palms and the knuckle drilled in tight between the angle of the mandible and the mastoid process. Everybody knows that drunks and peace queers scream all the time anyway, with or without provocation... so who's gonna think anything of it?

We understand that in the years since our sheild was turned in, that most Departments and Courts take a rather dim view of any such "Pain Compliance" techniques.

At least this chap is doing something right - wearing gloves. Eye protection of some sort would not be a bad idea, either; spit in your eye is bad enough; stomach acid sorta smarts, and God knows what she's infested with.

Still wanna be a Cop?

One other thing; if you're going to use that black Monadnock "Prosecutor" or long-dong baton, for goodness' sake, keep the action down low, at least below shoulder level. Let a baton come up over the crowd, and every bloody News camera within a block is going to be focused on you before you can bring it back down again, and you and your Department can be assured of a "brutality" complaint... even if you were just scratching your nose with it!

A quick jab or flip to the solar plexus, groin, shin or knee (careful; those get expensive if u get caught!) will usually defuse the situation quickly, and you must maintain eye contact with the perp and SMILE politely as he crumples.

One of the jolly things about "Riot Control" is "self control"; you have to get hit with all sorts of loathsome insults, gestures, threats, and projectiles - many of which are fecal in nature - it's one of their oldest tricks; during the '60's they used to "do it" into a nylon stocking, then smack you over the head with it. The crowd behind them parts like the Red Sea before Moses to swallow them immediately, and the cameras are pre-focused on you to to record your reaction, which they hope the ACLU can use to persecute you later in Court.
For some reason the initial attack on the LEO never seems to make the tape, and God help you if you lose it, break ranks and chase her (usually a fat, nasty black woman)into the mob, which will snap back up tight behind you both as they charge the hole you just left in the thin blue line to break through.

By the time your Buddies get sorted out and back through to you, you will be gunless, batonless, and you don't even want to know where they'll probably find your badge.

We see in LA they were pegging rocks and pieces of iron re-bar at the Police. In Hampton HN one Summer they started picking up big shards of broken shop windows they'd just busted out and scaling them horizontally at the Troopers like a "Frizbee" at neck level.
That's about the time that the NH State Police earned the dubious honor of being the first American Police Unit to use live ammunition on a domestic riot mob since the Draft Riots, I think, in NYC during the American Civil War.
The 12-guage Winchester pumps went to work, and drove the feisty hooligans down the street, accross Hampton Beach, (gathering #6 bird-shot in their legs and bottoms all along the way) and into the Atlantic Ocean... which as you may recall is mostly SALT water. This all happened before I enlisted, but the fellows who were there related as to how all those gremlins sang most sonoriously as the surf lapped under their nasty armpits and turned the water red with their ooze.

That tactic may need to be revisited, perhaps, before our streets start to resemble those of Palestine again.

[Calvin Locke]

I was thinking more of the stampede from "Jumanji" myself.

[Sally II]

Wow, Uncle Jaque, thanks for the detailed information. Sheesh, if I had no idea about the war protestor's ideology the fact that they resort to attacking with feces tells me everything I need to know. By the way, speaking of the anti-war protestors, after their shameless displays around the nation on Wednesday I was very disappointed to hear several media people (even from the local conservative radio) refer to our nation's "great tradition of civil disobedience." ???? Where these guys just parroting each other? There is a tradition of protesting. But I think there is a world of difference between civil disobedience and protesting. I think anyone in the media who can't tell the two apart has done a horrible disservice to the public. Unlawful destruction of private or public property is unexcusable ... as is willfully obstructing traffic and business. I swear the business people of San Francisco should slap a lawsuit on all the protestors that were arrested to get compensation for the gas wasted and business losses.