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Mutual Incomprehension: A clash of civilizations.
National Review Online ^ | March 19, 2003 | John Derbyshire

Posted on 03/19/2003 8:40:36 AM PST by xsysmgr

Interviewing Dick Cheney on Meet the Press this Sunday, Tim Russert kept coming back to the question a lot of us, on both sides of the war issue, are asking: How on earth did the United States come to be so isolated? We have the support of a handful of governments, to be sure, but even they are acting in the teeth of strong opposition from their people. There is broad popular support for a war against Iraq in just two countries: the U.S.A. and Israel. How did things get to such a pass?There are two popular answers: (1) America just doesn't understand how the rest of the world feels. (2) The rest of the world just doesn't understand how America feels. Different people tend to respond with either one or the other of these. Cheney, for example, favored (2).

I'm going to go with both. It takes two to tango, and a gulf of disagreement this wide tells us that there is profound misunderstanding in both directions. There are things about us that the rest of the world doesn't understand, and there are things about them that we don't understand. Please note that mutual incomprehension does not imply moral equivalence. The fact that you and I can't see each other's point of view does not rule out the possibility that one of us is right and the other wrong. The rightness or wrongness depends on external facts, which have been very thoroughly debated on this site and elsewhere. Here I am just going to look at the misunderstandings between America and the rest of the world.

How do we misunderstand each other? Let me number the ways.

They don't understand. — How a-n-g-r-y we are. It was our proud buildings that were brought down on 9/11. It was our office workers, airplane passengers, firemen and cops who got killed. Those attacks were the worst foreign assaults on American soil since the founding of the republic. We are mad as hell, and we have every right to be. It didn't help a bit that we heard stories from all over the world of people rejoicing in our loss and grief, standing up and cheering, dancing in the streets, writing smug editorial pieces in the London Review of Books to the effect that we had it coming. Those things just spread our anger wider, from the monsters who attacked us to the fools who try to give them moral credibility.

We don't understand — How much they resent our wealth and power. Fourteen years after the end of the Cold War, the sheer scale of our supremacy in the world has not really sunk in to our consciousness yet.

Our military is better funded, better equipped, and more awesome by an order of magnitude than any other. Even before 9/11, we accounted for over 36 percent of the world's military expenditure. The next in rank, Russia, had less than six percent.

Our economy makes everyone else's look puny — we currently have 43 percent of the world's economic production. Twenty years ago we fretted about rising competitors like Japan, a united Europe, Asian tigers, China. Now Japan is a busted flush, Europe is choking on red tape, the tigers are trending Japan-wards, and China is facing a major systemic crisis. We stand supreme.

Our culture is omnipresent: peasant lads in Nepal wear NBA T-shirts, teenage girls in Sudan hum the Titanic theme, bankers in Buenos Aires meet at Starbucks.

To the rest of the world, we look like a 200-foot giant. Immense wealth and power may be respected, are occasionally admired, will sometimes be feared, but they are never loved.

"But don't they remember how we saved their bacon twice in the 20th century?" Sure they remember. Gratitude, however, is an emotion with a short half-life. If you save me from drowning, I shall be intensely grateful to you for days and weeks afterwards. Months and even years later, I may still regard you with a warm appreciation. If, however, you are still reminding me of the good deed 50 years on, I shall find it irritating. That is not fair at all, but it's human nature. "I did for you what you could not do for yourself" contains, if you look at it closely, an implied comment about my own abilities.

They don't understand — Our deep idealism. All right, Americans say, we are a giant. Are we not a kindly giant, though? Was there ever a giant with such a will to do good? Can you imagine what a world dominated by Russia would be like? Or China? (If you can't, ask a Hungarian, or a Tibetan.) We are proud of the great good we have done in the world — Lend-Lease, victory over fascism and communism, the Marshall Plan, and all the liberating and wealth-encouraging institutions we have helped fund and support — the World Bank, the IMF, the WTO, and, yes, in theory at least, the U.N. Sure, some of those good deeds benefited us, too. That is the "self-interest" in "enlightened self-interest." Will someone please note the other half of the phrase? Uniquely among all the Top Dog nations that the world has ever had, we do not believe that the international order is a zero-sum game, that what is good for us will be bad for you.

Even when we have blundered, it has been with good intentions. France fought in Vietnam to preserve her imperial standing and keep her planters in business; we fought in Vietnam to hold the free world's line against communist dictatorship. Every pronouncement from our leaders about possible war with Iraq comes with a rider that we shall do our utmost to avoid harming civilians. When did any other nation prepare for a military expedition with such oft-repeated declarations? When? The Chinese going into Vietnam in 1979? The Russians going into Chechnya in 1994? The French in Algeria? Iraq attacking Iran? The Libyans in Chad? When? When?

We don't understand — Their cynicism. Two stories.

Around 1991 I was in a movie theater in London's Leicester Square (which is to say, a tony movie theater in the heart of London) watching Tom Selleck in Three Men and a Little Lady. Near the end of the movie, Tom looks into the eyes of his leading lady and says the words she's been longing to hear: "I love you." The London audience erupted in hoots of laughter. Can you believe it? Americans really go for that sappy stuff! What rubes they are!

In China a year and a half ago, I was talking to one of my Chinese relatives about the United States Constitution. He waved away the Constitution with a laugh. "Oh, that's all nonsense. it's just a piece of paper. Doesn't mean anything."

There is an innocence, an earnestness about Americans that, all too often, foreigners just don't get. If we love someone, we look into her eyes and say so. We take our Constitution seriously. One way and another, we passed through most of the great disillusioning experiences of the 20th century, from the Great War to the sexual revolution, with our illusions pretty much intact. Outside the intellectual classes, irony doesn't come easily to Americans. Europeans who come to live in the U.S. find that they have to perform major adjustments to their sense of humor to avoid giving offense to the literal-minded inhabitants of this country.

Americans have had no prolonged education in cynicism. We have never been expected to look up to rulers who claim to be appointed "by the grace of God," yet whose failings are all too obviously human. We have never had to endure the indignity of living in a "people's republic" in which the actual people count for nothing, under a "constitution" whose sole purpose is to provide a fig leaf of legitimacy to naked, brutish power.

They don't understand — Our patriotism. There are styles of patriotism. Old ethno-nations like France, Poland or China tend to assume that patriotism is bred in the bone, and does not need to be shown or expressed except at times of dire national emergency. The flamboyant, everyday patriotism of Americans is unsettling to them, and looks like bumptiousness covering insecurity. There is perhaps no other country in the world in which, on a day that is not a national holiday, you can walk down a residential street and see flags flying from the doorposts. I have been hunting around on the web for statistics on flag ownership — how many citizens, country by country, actually own a copy of their country's flag. Couldn't find those statistics, but I feel sure the U.S.A. easily ranks number one in this table, too; and I bet that was true even before 9/11. I lived more than twenty years in Britain, and I can't recall a single instance of any British person I knew owning a British flag.

We don't understandTheir patriotism. French people, Germans, Russians, even Mexicans, nurse deep attachments to their history, their customs, their language and cuisine, their traditions, the great deeds of their ancestors. We may look down at these people's political incompetence: at France, which has been through five republics, two empires and two kingdoms in the lifetime of our own single Constitution, at the Russians, who submitted to be the slaves of amoral despots for 70 years, at the Germans, who surrendered their liberties to a psychopath with a comic-opera mustache and stood by obediently while he massacred millions of their unarmed fellow-citizens.

Still we should not forget that when you and your ancestors have lived in the same place for a thousand years, speaking the same language and eating the same food, practicing the same religious observances and quoting the same poets, gazing out over the same rivers and hills, you do not take kindly to the intrusions of a 200-year-old upstart nation, half of whose people do not seem even to be able to describe themselves as "American" without sticking something hyphenated in front of the word.

They don't understand — The reverence in which we hold our institutions. We scoff at our politicians, like everyone else in the world, but the institutions they represent are taken very seriously indeed. Shortly after 9/11, on this site, I offered a rude speculation about how Bill Clinton might have reacted to the crisis. I was flooded with indignant e-mail from NRO readers — Clinton-haters all, probably — asking me who the hell I thought I was, insulting the presidency at such a time. Not Clinton — they couldn't have cared less about him — but the presidency. The idea that the institutions of national governance are merely a racket, a cover for the machinations of a ruling class, is very widespread around the world. It occurs to every Chinese person, every Saudi, every Nigerian, every Russian, at least once a day. Even Frenchmen and Italians find themselves thinking it once a week or so. To Americans — except for some small cliques of race agitators and Europeanized intellectuals — it is utterly alien.

We don't understand — How badly George W. Bush travels. Never having been schooled in the fast repartee of a parliamentary debating chamber, Bush seems slow and inarticulate in response. Coming from the openly confessional tradition of Southern Christianity, he seems to foreigners to be religiose rather than religious. Having spent most of his life in a region with a strong sense of identity, he speaks his local dialect unselfconsciously, which makes him sound like a bumpkin to other English-speakers (and even to some Americans). Pronouncing "nuclear" as "noo-koo-luh" tells you nothing more about the man than that he comes from Texas and doesn't care who knows it. It is no more reprehensible than my pronouncing "schedule" with a "sh" instead of a "sk," and it is very unfair of non-Texans to snigger at it. They do, though, and I am not sure they are wrong to do so, bearing in mind what terrible responsibilities lie behind that word "nuclear."

They don't understand — The vitality of our political life. The tremendous events of 1775-1787 fired off a national conversation that is still in full flood today. Does the Second Amendment imply an individualright to own firearms? What exactly does "subject to the jurisdiction of" mean, in Section 1 of the Fourteenth Amendment? How can we square one state's approval of homosexual marriage with the "full faith and credit" of the Constitution's Article IV, Section 1? These things are the stuff of everyday conversation and endless public debate. American political culture has a vigor and breadth unknown elsewhere. The political life of other countries, when you go to them, seems dull and tame.

We don't understand — The narrowness of viewpoint expressed in their media. Centuries of state-sanctioned priesthoods and despotic bureaucracy have left other nations with a deferential attitude to bookish pontificators that America just does not know. As much as we complain of the leftist bias in our media, we can hardly imagine the situation in Britain, where the BBC — far the most important source of news and comment for most people — is staffed entirely by members of the hard-Left lumpen-intelligentsia, people who, to my certain knowledge (I am friends with some of them) were admirers of the Soviet Union down to the hour of its collapse. In France and Germany things are even worse. There is essentially no conservative movement in these countries, nor in any country but the U.S. There are no Second Amendment lobbies, no Club for Growth, no anti-abortion crusaders, no Christian Coalition, no Rush Limbaugh, no Sean Hannity. (I do not say these things don't exist in Britain, France, or Germany. I do say that they have no political influence whatsoever.)

Because of the lack of alternative voices, the effect of political correctness on these countries has been far more dire than in the U.S. In England last November, a journalist was locked up in jail for telling a pro-fox-hunting rally that country people should have the same rights as black people, Muslims, and homosexuals.

Unrestrained by any constitutional protection for free speech, the ruling elites in these countries are wielding p.c. as a club to smash all dissent from approved state doctrines, all resistance to state schemes of social engineering. No voices are heard in Europe now but the voices of the Leftist clerisy who control all the media outlets. These people are all anti-American. (In France and Italy, they are not infrequently actual Communist-party members — yes, Communism is alive and well in Europe.) It is not surprising that the ordinary people of these countries, bathed as they are in this flood of lies from morning till night, are suspicious of us. And this is only to speak of nations that have some decently long tradition of consensual democracy. Russia? China? Turkey? Fugeddaboutit.

I don't know what can be done to bridge this gulf of mutual incomprehension, not at this late stage of the Iraq game. If, as now seems likely (and in brazen defiance of my predictions), the administration is really going to take us to war, our conduct of that war may do something to correct misunderstandings about our goals and motives.

I wouldn't be too optimistic, though. If the war goes well, we shall be more of a giant than ever; if badly, we shall be that most contemptible of creatures, a giant brought low by hubris. And the ideology addled elites who run the media in Europe, and the state functionaries who run them most everywhere else, will, in either case, know what to say to keep the pot of anti-Americanism on the boil.



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To: gcochran
I'm tempted to ask what it would take to convince you that going into Iraq is the right thing to do.

A happy freed populace? The dismantling of Saddam's WMD programs? The gradual conversion of the country to a society under the rule of law, guaranteeing human rights for its citizens and no longer threatening its neighbors?

Maybe not enough for you. Because there will inevitably be setbacks in the process, and because the perpetrators of future terrorists will gladly claim the invasion of Iraq as justification for acts they were going to commit anyway, you will always have grist for your mill.

The best result, however, will be a non-event: a nuclear war involving Israel, killing potentially tens of millions, destroying and irradiating oil fields throughout the region, and plunging the world into a deep economic depression, will be avoided.

Of course, I cannot prove that it would happen otherwise. But given the current state of politics in the Arab world, it is too high a possibility to accept.
21 posted on 03/19/2003 9:56:51 AM PST by tictoc
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To: xsysmgr
Excellent. And the funny/sad thing is, how many of the left in America admire the BBC for telling them "what's really going on."
22 posted on 03/19/2003 10:02:52 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (No more will we pretend that our desire/For liberty is number-cold and has no fire.)
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To: xsysmgr
Excellent. And the funny/sad thing is, how many of the left in America admire the BBC for telling them "what's really going on."
23 posted on 03/19/2003 10:02:53 AM PST by Celtjew Libertarian (No more will we pretend that our desire/For liberty is number-cold and has no fire.)
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To: xsysmgr
Of course some people in America understand the things this author is saying, but he does not take Islam into account in his writing. If he is only talking about why non-islamic countries don't like us, then I understand.

What is not clear in this case is why the world's non-islamic nations do not share a concern about the rising of world islam and its goals. If only a handful of countries see the danger, then another reason for why they hate is is clearly their limited lack of vision and understanding. Perhaps we should open some madrasas of our own in their countries.
24 posted on 03/19/2003 10:05:18 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom
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To: 7 x 77
'In China a year and a half ago, I was talking to one of my Chinese relatives about the United States Constitution. He waved away the Constitution with a laugh. "Oh, that's all nonsense. it's just a piece of paper. Doesn't mean anything."' ... A Democrat.

Actually, a person who has lived in a culture whose governments, for thousands of years, has not had to answer to its populace. A person who does not yet grasp an understanding of words like "freedom", "liberty". For him it is a piece of paper; for us, it is the essence of our identity.

25 posted on 03/19/2003 10:12:48 AM PST by Fudd
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To: xsysmgr
I don't know what can be done to bridge this gulf of mutual incomprehension, not at this late stage of the Iraq game.

What a great article! Nothing can be done to bridge the gap, short of a fundamental change in cultural attitudes of the sort that accompanies a Christian revivial. The differences listed in this piece go to the very core of each individual's moral worldview. No speech by Bush or Blair can change that. Thanks again for posting.

26 posted on 03/19/2003 10:27:46 AM PST by Zack Nguyen
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To: xsysmgr
According to comments by William F. Buckley, the American Constitution and the Declaration of Independence make this country unique in the world. It is the ONLY country that recognizes the pre-existing condition of individual rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness that ARE NOT GRANTED BY ANY GOVERNMENT OR NATION STATE. No other country on the Earth, actually recognizes or implements this. And these rights are "inalienable", which means no State can take them away from the individual. But only in America. In all the rest of the world, any individual rights are "granted", and thus can be "taken away" for any reason.

This is the "beacon" of liberty that the United States, and only the United States has. So the Theocratic, Socialist, or dictatorial parts of the rest of the world "have" to destroy this. Thus, the powers in the rest of the world are bent on destroying this.

This is the nature of this current war. It is world wide. And many of our enemies (of the essense of America) are located right here in our country. And it appears that the Bush administration actually recognizes this. Regards.

28 posted on 03/19/2003 10:40:39 AM PST by noname
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To: Fudd
. . . for us, it is the essence of our identity . . .

For the Republican part of "us". For the Democratic part of "us", it means judges ignoring the Constitution when they please.

29 posted on 03/19/2003 10:48:47 AM PST by 7 x 77
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To: xsysmgr; JohnHuang2; MeeknMing; Byron_the_Aussie; shaggy eel; HiTech RedNeck
Brilliant!

And, a couple of other aspects of being American that the rest of the world's poor peons -- including those poor sad subjects of all of the Brussells-based Neo-Soviet's squalidly-socialist satellite states -- do not get, is that Beloved FRaternal Republic is Founded and Stands upon the God-given Rock of Individual Liberty -- and FRom the Body of Law that flows from the Judeo-Christian Tradition, Tenets and Biblical Law which guided the hands of the Authors of Our Republic's Declaration of Independence, Constitution and Bill of Rights -- and that those same Judeo-Christian Traditions, Tenets and Biblical Laws guide the evey-day-to-day lives of by far the vast majority of US today.

We love one another, it is true -- and we love Our Beloved FRaternal Republic and the Liberty it, alone among nations, guarantees every American.

But we love God before all -- and before everything -- and thank Him first for our every advantage.

One other point, though, that the rest of the world, except the Australians and New Zealanders and Israelis, do not get, is that we Americans and Our Beloved FRaternal Republic do not simply Vanguard Judeo-Christian ["Human" that is] Civilization -- we represent its only remaining foothold upon the Earth.

Where goes Our Nation -- goes Mankind!
30 posted on 03/19/2003 11:48:00 AM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: xsysmgr
3. They see us as wounded, weakened, and thus want either to stomp us to death, or indirectly to help other nations stomp us to death.
31 posted on 03/19/2003 11:51:00 AM PST by mrustow
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To: xsysmgr
See also:

Our Enemy is in the Sand

32 posted on 03/19/2003 11:51:46 AM PST by mrustow
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To: spitz; MadIvan
Ping.

British-born John Derbyshire is my very favorite [Other] foreign-born American.

Shift your Brit-centric perspective 90 degrees or so for the few minutes it takes to read this piece -- and perhaps you will understatnd why?
33 posted on 03/19/2003 12:01:40 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Brian Allen
You're behind events, Brian, as per usual (as is Derbyshire I might add). The latest (left wing biased) polls show the British public is behind the war.

After the startling performance by Blair yesterday, the fact that our lads are about to go into battle, proving once more that absolutely everything you said about Britain "wimping out" was wrong, one would have expected that you would keep your mouth shut about the UK for a time.

Poor taste, Brian. Extremely poor taste.

Ivan

34 posted on 03/19/2003 12:07:55 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: A Navy Vet; xsysmgr
<< "How much they resent our wealth and power." >>

Uh, I think he meant envy. >>

Envy breeds only resentment.

Which leads only to hatred, rage and hesperophobia.
35 posted on 03/19/2003 12:07:58 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: MadIvan
<< The latest (left wing biased) polls show the British public is [At last, possibly, VERY slightly!] behind the war. >>

My point exactly -- proving that any claim to the contrary during the past six months has been, as I have been at pains to point out, so much BarbAra Streissand!

<< Poor taste, Brian. Extremely poor taste.

Ivan >>

Will be surprized when anything else ever emerges from your corner, Dear Ivan -- but you'll still be in my prayers.

Why, for Goodness sakes, I've known even of pompous, predatory, ego-maniacal purveyers of online pornography, [Even those given to editing even Mark Steyn's essays are not beyond help!] to be turned around by God's Grace, so a relatively nice [If just a bit pompous, disrespectful, careless with the truth and supercilious] feller like you should be a piece of cake, eh?

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink, say no more!

Warmest regards -- Brian
36 posted on 03/19/2003 12:25:21 PM PST by Brian Allen (This above all -- to thine own self be true)
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To: Brian Allen
My point exactly -- proving that any claim to the contrary during the past six months has been, as I have been at pains to point out, so much BarbAra Streissand!

You altered my post. Why, how typically despicable of you.

Will be surprized when anything else ever emerges from your corner, Dear Ivan -- but you'll still be in my prayers.

Brian, I realise you're trying to get me riled up with this behaviour. It won't work. I feel certain that after the vote last night, the people who were most disappointed by Blair's crushing 412 to 149 majority for war were Saddam Hussein, Dominique de Villepin, and yourself. After all, here those Brits go and actually join the war, robbing you of an opportunity to whip up anti-British feeling, spiking your posts with the omnipresent, and ever-tedious phrase "beloved Fraternal Republic".

And this comes at the end of a long string of disappointments for you to be sure - you were 100% sure that Blair was going to rat on Bush. He didn't.

You felt 100% sure that the Britsh contribution to the war was going to be inconsequential. We sent a quarter of our army, the SAS and Royal Marines.

You felt 100% sure, that we'd never actually go into battle. Well Brian, just a heads up, the Ministry of Defence just announced RAF jets are hitting Iraqi artillery outside of Basra.

Every opportunity for you to slander the British has been denied by events. I feel sorry for you; to be so mocked by fate must be dreadful. Don't try to drown your sorrows too heavily.

Ivan

37 posted on 03/19/2003 12:53:33 PM PST by MadIvan (Learn the power of the Dark Side, www.thedarkside.net)
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To: liberallarry
There's probably a genetic component to all this.

The ones with gumption tended to head for the New World?

38 posted on 03/19/2003 1:47:57 PM PST by steve-b
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To: Brian Allen; MadIvan
Boy are you grasping at straws like a drowning man! You’ve been proved wrong time and time again about the British, but we haven’t pulled out the 45,000 troops in the Gulf.

But I see your still pushing your ‘closet commie style’ of rhetoric, for you to admit you are wrong would take character, you of course have none.
39 posted on 03/19/2003 6:35:23 PM PST by spitz
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