Posted on 03/19/2003 7:57:38 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
"I respect and admire the French, who have been a far greater nation than we shall ever be, that is, if greatness means anything loftier than money and bombs."
— THOMAS FLEMING, "HARD RIGHT," MARCH 13, 2003
rom the very beginning of the War on Terror, there has been dissent, and as the war has proceeded to Iraq, the dissent has grown more radical and more vociferous. Perhaps that was to be expected. But here is what never could have been: Some of the leading figures in this antiwar movement call themselves "conservatives."
These conservatives are relatively few in number, but their ambitions are large. They aspire to reinvent conservative ideology: to junk the 50-year-old conservative commitment to defend American interests and values throughout the world — the commitment that inspired the founding of this magazine — in favor of a fearful policy of ignoring threats and appeasing enemies.
And they are exerting influence. When Richard Perle appeared on Meet the Press on February 23 of this year, Tim Russert asked him, "Can you assure American viewers . . . that we're in this situation against Saddam Hussein and his removal for American security interests? And what would be the link in terms of Israel?" Perle rebutted the allegation. But what a grand victory for the antiwar conservatives that Russert felt he had to air it.
(Excerpt) Read more at nationalreview.com ...
I already have. PJB is the big loser.
"I could care less if Savages comments or opinions differ from Buchanan's. I mean, so what if they do"
I was only trying to see if you agreed that they both cannot be standing for what's right for America if they disagree. One is right and one is wrong when it comes to the dual topics of war & illegals.
"And you need to realize that we have been intentionally, secretly destabilizing nations for many years, supplied bad guys with mean weapons"
Of course we did.
"Why do you think we did things like this?"
Because at the time, it was perceived as being in the best interest of the country by whoever was in power. In some instances it might not have been appropriate, in others it may well have been. Some administrations had atrocious foreign policies, others better. None were perfect, but that is obvious because perfection is not attainable by man, only God.
Well, I'll agree with that. LOL.....
Well, come to think of it, Bradford always did wear gray suits with a red tie.
Long on rhetoric but short on facts. As a reader of National Review starting in the mid-50s I can report that NR was not an advocate of "conservative ideology" then, though it is now an advocate of neocon ideology. Any similarity in the two is strictly coincidental. Conservatism, as opposed to liberalism, libertarianism, neoconism, was and is non-ideological.
Posted from the other thread on this same Frum article.
Roger Barnett - U.S. Naval War College
Alvin Bernstein - National Defense University
Stephen Cambone - National Defense University
Eliot Cohen - Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Devon Gaffney Cross - Donors' Forum for International Affairs
Thomas Donnelly - Project for the New American Century
David Epstein - Office of Secretary of Defense, Net Assessment
David Fautua - Lt. Col., U.S. Army
Dan Goure - Center for Strategic and International Studies
Donald Kagan - Yale University
Fred Kagan - U. S. Military Academy at West Point
Robert Kagan - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Robert Killebrew - Col., USA (Ret.)
William Kristol - The Weekly Standard
Mark Lagon - Senate Foreign Relations Committee
James Lasswell - GAMA Corporation
I. Lewis Libby - Dechert Price & Rhoads
Robert Martinage - Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment
Phil Meilinger - U.S. Naval War College
Mackubin Owens - U.S. Naval War College
Steve Rosen - Harvard University
Gary Schmitt - Project for the New American Century
Abram Shulsky - The RAND Corporation
Michael Vickers - Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment
Barry Watts - Northrop Grumman Corporation
Paul Wolfowitz - Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Dov Zakheim - System Planning Corporation
Roger Barnett - U.S. Naval War College
Alvin Bernstein - National Defense University
Stephen Cambone - National Defense University
Eliot Cohen - Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Devon Gaffney Cross - Donors' Forum for International Affairs
Thomas Donnelly - Project for the New American Century
David Epstein - Office of Secretary of Defense, Net Assessment
David Fautua - Lt. Col., U.S. Army
Dan Goure - Center for Strategic and International Studies
Donald Kagan - Yale University
Fred Kagan - U. S. Military Academy at West Point
Robert Kagan - Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
Robert Killebrew - Col., USA (Ret.)
William Kristol - The Weekly Standard
Mark Lagon - Senate Foreign Relations Committee
James Lasswell - GAMA Corporation
I. Lewis Libby - Dechert Price & Rhoads
Robert Martinage - Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment
Phil Meilinger - U.S. Naval War College
Mackubin Owens - U.S. Naval War College
Steve Rosen - Harvard University
Gary Schmitt - Project for the New American Century
Abram Shulsky - The RAND Corporation
Michael Vickers - Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessment
Barry Watts - Northrop Grumman Corporation
Paul Wolfowitz - Nitze School of Advanced International Studies, Johns Hopkins University
Dov Zakheim - System Planning Corporation
Now you've gone and done it. No more proxy fights, the cold war is over.
There are very few of them, and for a time, they did get their way on some policy issues because they were able to mask their numerical inferiority with volume. Now, people in the know have a good grip on the numbers of them.
It certainly appears to be evident that this "new conservative" coalition of partially reformed liberals and opportunistic semi-conservatives who have no problem working liberal scams for political profit, has little use for facts and will rely on emotional slight-of-hand.
True enough. Strange how the right seems to becoming more mainstream and the left is drifting ever farther towards its extreme.
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