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To: TradicalRC
Actually, I had no clue what I was talking about....I misread my reference document. Scratch my entire post on 281.

In doing some follow-up research I note that Origen in 225 seems to expressly discount First and Second Maccabees as Holy Scripture and implicitly reject the remaining Apocryphal books.

Later, Augustine argues for and Jerome against counting the texts as scripture. I find Augustine's argument that the Septuagent (Greek translation of the old Hebrew Pentateuch) was more accurate than the Pentateuch very interesting. Augustine seems to also be the first church father that accepts what appears to be the lesser regarded Apocryphal books from the Pentateuch stand point....against the strong arguments of Jerome who was ordered by Pope Damasus I in 382 to include them in sacred scripture. Jerome was then tasked with producing the Vulgate including the Apocryphal books that everyone before Augustine (including Origen) had rejected as less than Holy books.

So we have books in the Canon that everyone agrees are God breathed, then we also include books that there was significant doubt about whether it was Holy or not.

I will need to find out what Jerome and Augustine's arguments were.

284 posted on 03/20/2003 4:41:10 AM PST by griffin
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To: griffin
Very interesting. Thanks for the post. Was EVERYONE against the "apocryphal" books before Augustine? Why would Origen need to argue against them if it was commonly believed? I know that the Catholic Apocrypha differs from the Protestant Apocrypha.
291 posted on 03/20/2003 9:31:18 AM PST by TradicalRC (Fides quaerens intellectum.)
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