Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: MeeknMing
Can someone give me the short version of what happened....I have been at work.
916 posted on 03/16/2003 1:54:40 PM PST by Dog ( Groundhog Day II -- the Sequel.....America held hostage by the UN.......where everyday is the same)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 911 | View Replies ]


To: Dog
In a nutshell, Bush said that there is just 24 hours more of diplomacy left. The U.N.'s business is over after tomorrow . . .
924 posted on 03/16/2003 2:02:09 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 916 | View Replies ]

To: Dog
Can someone give me the short version of what happened

Quote from President Bush in his opening statement:

"Tomorrow is a moment of truth for the world."

When questioned later during question and answer period, President Bush stated:

"Tomorrow is the day when we find if diplomacy can work".

The UN can either convene tomorrow and join us, or we're going in. Saddam was told to disarm immediately, and it was clear they meant *today* or that was it. Or course we all know he won't.

One interesting added intrigue: Hans Blix has inserted himself by stating he thought the conference showed a divided group. Than he spoke with reporters denying he had used the word "divided", but Swedish TV has him on tape saying it. Jonathan Hunt on Fox is referring to it as an "is" moment.

Blix also feigned ignorance of grasping the meaning of the conference and told reporters he had not heard an ultimatum.

928 posted on 03/16/2003 2:11:47 PM PST by cyncooper (God Be With President Bush, PM Blair, PM Aznar, and PM Howard.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 916 | View Replies ]

To: Dog
Here is some pretty good analysis of today's events (post 295) . . .

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/865109/posts?page=295#295

Obviously, it will be this "Atlantic Alliance" that liberates Iraq, NOT the UN. Blair and Bush were both in a bit of a box with this issue of a second UN resolution. Blair felt like he needed one to clear any question of legitimacy in his country, while Bush has called for a vote in his recent press conference. I believe they extracted themselves from their position quite nicely. Once again, the press is missing the deft move. Again, they don't want to be perceived as killing the UN. If the UN withers and dies on the vine, they want history to record that it was countries like France who refused to back up resolutions it had voted for. I believe Tony Blair got the most out of this meeting and here is what he got: A SECOND RESOLUTION IS NOT NECESSARY TO MAKE MILITARY ACTION AGAINST IRAQ LEGITIMATE. With this summit, the "Atlantic Alliance" have completely turned the tables on the other countries in the UN SC. Remember how the US and UK were scrambling like mad to get the votes for a second resolution for the past few days? They could not get it due to the French. This gave the effect of making it look like France held the key as to whether war would be legitimate. All France had to do is veto any resolution to keep the UN from taking action, which is precisely what they vowed to do. THIS PUT THE ALLIANCE ON THE DEFENSIVE. The Summit today turned that all around. The Alliance made it clear that UN 1441 gives them the "legitimacy" (that Blair needs) to wager war on Saddam. They are basically saying to the rest of the UN SC now, "you have your chance to get on board with us and pass a second resolution". Now if France or anyone else submits another resolution that the Alliance doesn't like, IT WILL SIMPLY BE VETOED by the US, UK, and Spain. Beautiful, ain't it? In other words, the Alliance is saying in a nutshell "UN 1441 AUTHORIZES FORCE TO DISARM SADDAM. WE ARE GOING TO DO THAT." Now, if France or anyone else submits a resolution that opposes that notion, IT WILL BE VETOED, thus making 1441 the binding resolution. NOW, instead of the US and UK scrambling for SC votes, it is France and the others that will be scrambling for votes if there's one at all. As I said, the tables have been turned on France. As you can see, the US and UK are making NO attempt any longer to get a second resolution. If there is going to be another resolution voted on, it will be one crafted by France and the others, and they know that it will be vetoed by the Alliance countries unless it meets their demands. Obviously, France is not prepared to do that, so don't expect another resolution, therefore, the Alliance is acting in regards to 1441.

As I said, the leaders would each make their statements and then leave for their homelands to address their nations. That indeed is happening. Bush didn't use the word "charade", but he did call out France for "already showing their cards", which is the same thing as saying continuing the process is a "charade". I have heard other members of the administration use that word today.

No, they did not give Saddam a deadline. Yet. That would have overshadowed their ultimatum to the UN to do something within the next 24 hours. Now, when those 24 hours have expired, expect the ultimatum and deadline for Iraq to come.

As I said, expect to hear from Bush Monday night, or Tuesday at the latest.

If the inspectors had any brains, they would leave Iraq on the next plane. If they wait until the Alliance has to issue it's ultimatum to Iraq, they are subject to being held agains their will. Hopefully, they and others will evacuate between today and tomorrow.

No, the UN didn't die today, but these leaders made it clear that a new alliance has been formed. Documents and agreements were signed, and as things play out, as the legitimacy of this new alliance rises, the relevance and legitimacy of the UN is lowered. It's like a teeter-totter if you will.


932 posted on 03/16/2003 2:16:20 PM PST by MeekOneGOP (Bu-bye Saddam! / Check out my Freeper site !: http://home.attbi.com/~freeper/wsb/index.html)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 916 | View Replies ]

To: Dog
Here's the short version:

Summary of Bush/Blair Azore Press Conference 3.16.2003

Atlantic Alliance. Eastern, Southern and Northern Europe are free to join.

GW seemed to say tomorrow (March 17)

British PM for 4 1/2 mo's now .....we were prepared to set out clear tests some days ago and the reason we approached him that way is because of 1441....serious consequences, and this is really the impasse that we have...some say this should be no authorization , instead MORE discussion, but the truth is that without the credible ultimatum, that more discussion is just MORE DELAY....with Saddam remaining armed with weapons of Mass Destruction and as a murderous regime....a game he has played over the last 12 years....where int'l comm driven into perpetual negotiation, but never real and concrete disarmament...not a single person on Sec Council that doubts he is not cooperating.....

Blair..
"NO ONE disagrees that Iraq is not complying " "We have reached the point of decision.." "We will do all we can.. IN THE SHORT TIME THAT REMAINS "

Azner: Transatlantic solidarity must be confirmed and the committment to keeping international law respected by all parties.

Blair: More discussion is a delay. Saddam continuing to play games. There's no one on the security council that believes that he is complying. No interview has taken place even though provided for in 1441. 10,000 liters of anthrax still unaccounted for. If we would have given a strong message at the beginning, Saddam would have realized he needed to comply sooner.

Blair says:
We will protect Iraqi territory and culture. Iraq's natural resources will remain the property of Iraq and her people.

The purpose of the meeting was to put a face on the coalition that will act in the face of the UN's failure. Tomorrow is the last day, according to Bush.
Tomorrow is the day for UN to vote or not vote.

Bush: "Saddam has not chosen wisely"

Bush: "Cards have been played" "France showed its cards"
res Bush: Cards have been played....UN is very important, which is why I went there on 9/12/02....let's make sure your words mean something....cooperate cutting the money of terrorists...remember Rwanda, or Kosovo...UN didn't do its job...if tomorrow they don't do their job we all have to figure out how to make it work...UN will def. need to have a role, begin to get its legs of responsibility back...

Bush: "Show your cards an old Texas/poker expression ......France's threatening veto has shown its cards. The UN must mean something." "...and France has indicated they will veto anything that holds Saddam to account...."




975 posted on 03/16/2003 3:16:04 PM PST by cebadams (much better than ezra)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 916 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson