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The Lowdown on the Showdown

Posted on 03/14/2003 5:47:33 PM PST by GLDNGUN

While most are aware by now that President Bush, British Prime Minister Tony Blair and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Maria Aznar will confer Sunday in the Azores, it seems just as many do not realize the weight of this meeting. This truly is a “war council”...


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: appeasement; aznar; azoresislands; blair; bush; iraq; peaceinourtime; war
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To: deport
"...4th Infantry Division's weaponry, equipment and supplies have been waiting off the Turkish coast for weeks, and the troops are still at their base in Fort Hood, Texas."

And... the 1st Cav Div. of Fort Hood is not in place yet either. They got the first orders on March 3rd.
101 posted on 03/14/2003 9:16:36 PM PST by edwin hubble
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To: deport
The time is being marked in days now or even possibly in hours.... It isn't long, imo

I agree! Thanks for the link.I'll check it out.

102 posted on 03/14/2003 9:28:30 PM PST by Lady In Blue (Bush,Cheney,Rumsfeld,Rice 2004)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
OK HERE WE GO AGAIN.....the US of A and Dubya are

fighting Bill and Hillary Clinton via the fingerprintless aqueda and via Marc Rich et al. Therein is the
"international "Dixie Mafia".

With France baited by Bill and Hillary's belief
that "the 3td way" was America's undoing,it was deemed
doable. You are seeing Dubya fight em bully
pulpit to bully pulpit defeating the olds nukes rules of an old Russia,the I.C.C., Kyoto,and the damed world abortion gurus.

of course the most unreported story of the last five years besides the Monica spike,of course, is France and Chirac's sales of nucleur pieces parts redoing Israel's work.

Lastly, it is the media ,that 91% who voted for Clinton,who have you disatracted, IRAQ this -
IRAQ that
but DUBYA said "the Axis of Evil" . France is the
grease that is lubing that axil's,axis. gotcha.

So when is a dog most dangerous ? wounded and
in a corner right ? well Bill Hillary and Chirac are dogs, and wounded and in a corner. In the "Dixie Mafia's"
crisis -like past,folks die,OkC Bldgs get bombed,
and Vince Foster shows up dead in Ft Marcy park
with blue carpet fibers on his clothed naked skin...

I'd watch Bill and Hillary about now if it was me
and i was influencial ....


103 posted on 03/14/2003 9:31:28 PM PST by cactusSharp
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To: GLDNGUN
I'm afraid they are a little too smug and cocky for their own good at this point.

Well, that is consistent with the French character -- one thinks of 1870 and Clemenceau's remark around 1910 when it was suggested the French adopt a modern, inconspicuous uniform: Les Pantaloons rouge, c'est la France!.

Your posts are interesting and hopeful. I must say, it is difficult not to be frustrated at the debacle at the UN and the perfidiousness of the French, Germans and Russians. I am curious what you think we can realistically do to the French to make them pay, for surely we cannot let their treachery go unanswered. We should probably start, at the time the ultimatum is given, by all three of the US, UK and Spain recalling their ambassadors and giving the French embassy and consular staffs 72 hours to leave. While in the modern world that might seem small, it would be an unmistakable gesture in diplomatic protocol that the French could not miss. I should think we might follow with England and Spain closing their borders with France, and all of us requiring visas for French citizens to enter our countries.

104 posted on 03/14/2003 9:36:56 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: GLDNGUN
What does the birdy say about why Chirac is so stupid as to let it be known that he would never force Iraq to disarm. It seems to me that he has to know that he is going to surely look like an appeaser of evil once the Iraqi people are free to tell their stories about how evil Saddam is. I mean our generals fully expect many in the Iraq army to join forces with us and fight Saddamm. It sure seems that France would anticipate this or worry to some extent that it might happen. I don't understand why they are being so bold as to basically be giving Saddam a pass when there is such a risk of his evilness becoming even more exposed. Does anyone have this question too? Can anyone answer this question?
105 posted on 03/14/2003 9:44:41 PM PST by Theresa
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To: Brett66
Excuse me ... x42 is actively campaigning for the position of Secretary General of the UN as we speak. And ... I believe x42 has been responsible for the actions of France and Germany.
106 posted on 03/14/2003 9:46:01 PM PST by CyberAnt ( -> -> -> Oswego!!)
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To: CyberAnt
read post 104
107 posted on 03/14/2003 9:47:08 PM PST by cactusSharp
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To: Trust but Verify
The stupid media keeps saying - unilateral - like we are out there all by ourselves.
108 posted on 03/14/2003 9:49:24 PM PST by CyberAnt ( -> -> -> Oswego!!)
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To: cactusSharp
So when is a dog most dangerous ? wounded and in a corner right ? well Bill Hillary and Chirac are dogs, and wounded and in a corner. In the "Dixie Mafia's" crisis -like past,folks die,OkC Bldgs get bombed, and Vince Foster shows up dead in Ft Marcy park with blue carpet fibers on his clothed naked skin... I'd watch Bill and Hillary about now if it was me and i was influencial ....

Rush had an audio clip today of Clinton verbally stabbing Blair in the back. I don't remember what Clinton said but it sounded like he was not too happy with his old buddy Blair.

109 posted on 03/14/2003 9:54:52 PM PST by FreeReign (.....of all the things to dispute.....)
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To: CyberAnt
... x42 is actively campaigning for the position of Secretary General of the UN as we speak. And ... I believe x42 has been responsible for the actions of France and Germany.

X42 will only get that position AFTER Hillary delivers our sovereignty to the U.N. on a platter.

110 posted on 03/14/2003 9:57:00 PM PST by FreeReign (.....of all the things to dispute.....)
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To: FreeReign
heard it, after Sunday tho, Bill is the mosquito he always was
111 posted on 03/14/2003 10:01:29 PM PST by cactusSharp
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To: Theresa
What does the birdy say about why Chirac is so stupid as to let it be known that he would never force Iraq to disarm. It seems to me that he has to know that he is going to surely look like an appeaser of evil once the Iraqi people are free to tell their stories about how evil Saddam is. I mean our generals fully expect many in the Iraq army to join forces with us and fight Saddamm. It sure seems that France would anticipate this or worry to some extent that it might happen. I don't understand why they are being so bold as to basically be giving Saddam a pass when there is such a risk of his evilness becoming even more exposed.

Obviously, Chirac is desperate to keep us out of Iraq. We probably won't know all the reasons why until we get in there. It is stunning to what lengths France is going to in order to oppose us here. From sending their diplomats out to uncommitted countries on the UN SC, to threatening Eastern Europe for supporting us, now to encouraging Turkey to not allow us to use their airspace. It looks like they are playing this hand to the bitter end. Their next move is to try to turn Jordan and Saudi Arabia against us, to not allow us use of their bases and airspace. It's frightening how close they are getting to "aiding and abetting the enemy". They have done about everything, short of sending troops to fight for Saddam.

112 posted on 03/14/2003 10:06:03 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN
This would definitely be an acceptable scenario!
113 posted on 03/14/2003 10:07:44 PM PST by lainde
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To: CatoRenasci
it is difficult not to be frustrated at the debacle at the UN and the perfidiousness of the French, Germans and Russians. I am curious what you think we can realistically do to the French to make them pay, for surely we cannot let their treachery go unanswered.

Believe me, I'm as frustrated as anyone with the UN "charades". Paybacks can be a "Hillary" if you get my drift. ;-) We need to see just what all the ties were between Saddam and these major powers opposing us, especially France. As I said in another post, it is stunning to see the lengths to which they are willing to go to hinder our effort. They are now lobbying Turkey, Jordan, and Saudi Arabia to not give us use of airspace, bases, etc. If it is discovered that they have been/are directly assisting Saddam, such as sharing intelligence, expect to see your scenario played out for starters.

114 posted on 03/14/2003 10:14:48 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN
Believe me, I'm as frustrated as anyone with the UN "charades".

Why do you think we played the U.N. game for six months?

115 posted on 03/14/2003 10:23:03 PM PST by FreeReign
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To: GLDNGUN
If it is discovered that they have been/are directly assisting Saddam, such as sharing intelligence, expect to see your scenario played out for starters.

If this turns out to be the case (as I frankly believe it might), we would have almost no choice but to freeze all French-owned assets in the United States as security for reparations and the cost of the war, in addition to declaring all French military and diplomatic personnel in the US persona non grata and giving them their passports.

At the very least now, we should forbid any French ownership in defense related industries, forbid all mlitary sales to France, and embargo high technology exports to France.

116 posted on 03/14/2003 10:23:47 PM PST by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo Mesopotamiam Esse Delendam)
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To: GLDNGUN
BUMP
117 posted on 03/14/2003 10:28:30 PM PST by nopardons
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To: GLDNGUN
How the war is likely to play out is another story entirely, but it is expected to surprise most people due to its shortness of duration and relative little bloodshed.

This will be a sort of sweet revenge providing the actual business of governing a liberated Iraq proceeds without major incident. There are many who cannot say often enough how Bush has failed at diplomacy. I look forward to France's opposition being revealed for what it is, unprincipled, naked ambition. And I also look forward to Powell answering those charges after a relatively short and successful military action. The Dems in particular who criticize Bush's diplomacy, criticize the well liked and admired Powell. With victory in hand they will be made to look small.

Out of curiosity, has your little bird sung any Iranian tunes? Their relative silence leaves me curious as does their relationship with France.

118 posted on 03/14/2003 10:33:10 PM PST by Dolphy
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bttt
119 posted on 03/14/2003 10:44:04 PM PST by piasa (Attitude adjustments offered here free of charge.)
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To: DugwayDuke
Yeah, but aren't we due for some moonless nights very soon - by the middle or end of the week ...?? Wouldn't it be wiser to wait until then - unless weather is a problem ...??
120 posted on 03/14/2003 10:48:38 PM PST by CyberAnt ( -> -> -> Oswego!!)
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