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Dad Says Utah Girl 'Brainwashed' by Alleged Captor
Reuters (via Netscape) ^ | 3/13/03 | Sue Pleming

Posted on 03/13/2003 9:51:55 AM PST by SarahW

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To: Alberta's Child
I think you're right.
121 posted on 03/13/2003 11:59:15 AM PST by varina davis
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To: homeschool mama
I'm in honest opposition to it. Polygamy is not alien to Mormonism.
122 posted on 03/13/2003 12:00:17 PM PST by Theophilus
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To: Xenalyte
Oh, that's the one that was filmed at Gwyned Mercy Academy, near where I lived. I remember the film. Well then, that is not a problem at all. The film that I was thinking of had kids talking to Angels. That would have been a bad sign.
123 posted on 03/13/2003 12:00:38 PM PST by Eva
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To: freedox
A person who had been "brainwashed" or who was truly suffering from Stockholm Syndrome would have been psychologically traumatized by a sudden, unexpected rescue.

That's true ---she actually doesn't look traumatized in any way, she looks healthy and happy, happy to see her parents but also like the past few months wasn't really horrible either. Hopefully the couple was treating her well enough, maybe like a replacement daughter and weren't abusing her.

124 posted on 03/13/2003 12:00:46 PM PST by FITZ
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To: MineralMan
Time with her family w/o media will do much to ensure her healing, imo. Bless her heart...
125 posted on 03/13/2003 12:01:47 PM PST by homeschool mama
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To: homeschool mama
"Time with her family w/o media will do much to ensure her healing, imo. Bless her heart..."

Well, I hope she doesn't read any of the nasty things being said here on FR. It's a real shame.
126 posted on 03/13/2003 12:02:51 PM PST by MineralMan
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To: TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
Travelling around with two nutjobs more than thirty years your senior, wearing a veil and wig all the time...this is the "Good Life"?!
127 posted on 03/13/2003 12:02:53 PM PST by utahagen
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To: FITZ
You are putting a spin of your own on that word...what he meant is not what you mean.

She was *abducted* at gunpoint. I responded to a person who said she went willingly but was held against her will.

There is no question that Mitchell would be capable of using threats of deadly force to abduct her, and her sister reported a gun was used.
By the time of Elizabeths discovery, it would be clear she was psychologically manipulated and intimidated into submission to her fate. Fear and awe of the power of her captors would be an element of that brainwashing. But that would not be the only techniques used.

(See also: guantanamo)
128 posted on 03/13/2003 12:02:54 PM PST by SarahW
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To: half_nelson
Are you kidding? Have you seen picutres of that guy? He looks like a real great guy! I can see why she left... VOLUNTARILY! (yeah right)

If it was voluntary, or staged to look like an abduction, it might have had nothing to do with any attraction to the man. Might have been an attraction for his so-called "mission." Teens can often be very idealistic -- or she might have needed to get away for other reasons.

129 posted on 03/13/2003 12:03:15 PM PST by varina davis
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Months after her disappearance, Elizabeth Smart and the Mitchells apparently lived a short while in a downtown apartment — about a block away from Salt Lake City police headquarters — as a guest of Daniel Trotta.

Elizabeth, who "was always veiled" and "really didn't seem scared," according to Trotta, sang hymns, listened to music, ate meals, talked about favorite classes she'd taken in school and slept overnight for nearly a week sometime in October at Oxford Place (about 300 East and 300 South).

"I didn't think it was strange," Trotta said, adding that he figured she and the woman wore the veils as part of a religious "meditation practice."

Source
130 posted on 03/13/2003 12:03:22 PM PST by george wythe
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To: MineralMan
Agreed. I've never been so unimpressed with the reasoning ability or compassion of so many Freepers.
131 posted on 03/13/2003 12:04:04 PM PST by SarahW
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To: george wythe
Elizabeth told police (insisted) that her name was "Augustine"..Police showed her a flyer etc (as per FNC report)
132 posted on 03/13/2003 12:04:32 PM PST by aeronca
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To: MineralMan
I mind.

I believe in Original Sin and Total Depravity so I confess my own evil.

It's not a fact that Mormonism is slightly different than Christianity.

I will abandon this thread so that I don't get banned :-)

I sorry for offending you personally.

133 posted on 03/13/2003 12:04:54 PM PST by Theophilus
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To: pepsionice
Good post.
134 posted on 03/13/2003 12:05:00 PM PST by varina davis
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To: bonfire
Curious: Is sexual abuse rampant among the JW's?

Yes it is rampant but there is even a bigger problem. This is a "closed society". So all problems must get reported to the elders of the congregation first (as all JWs consider government a tool of satin). Thus, the kids come forward and tell the elders of the congregation. But the elders need 2 witnesses to the crime before they do anything. Of course when was the last time that you heard a paedophile let a witness watch him molest a kid? So the elders say to the kid and his/her family, well there is only one eye witness and thus, we will close the case. The kids are also told to stay silent on the issue because it is important to keep the image of the organizaion "clean". Thus, no one knows what has happened. A lot of them have been kicked out of the organization and family home. they are shunned by their families as per the organization's requirements. But at the same time the organization has allowed the paedophile to keep his priviliges and even move up in the congregation - Dan Fitzwater in Las Vegas is a classic case. He assaulted ast least 17 kids with the knowledge of the JW leadership (aka Watchtower). A lot of advocates trying to change the policies with the organization have also been disfeelowshipped and are being shunned by their families.

The other concern is that whether the JW is a convicted paedophile or not, he/she must still go into public and knock on doors as mandated by the organization. You as a member of the public don't know if the person coming to your door is a convicted paedophile or not and that could pose a risk to your children. I'm all for free religion and allowing JWs to knock on my door but they need to take proper steps to alert the public as to what they are doing and who may be coming to your door.

I and others worked with reporter Laurie Goodstein at the New York Times and got a story out on it on August 11, 2002. As much as I hate liberal rags she did one great story for us. Dateline ran it back on May 28, 2002 and I got my Canadian documentary friends at CBC (The Fifth Estate) to do the story on January 29, 2003. Panorama at the BBC also ran with it last year too.

For more information click here - the Silentlambs web site.

The database that this organization keeps on file shows at least 23,720 documented cases within this organization. Lawsuits are just starting in this. One in the USA has just past summary judgement stage. There are about 100 lawsuits starting up this year. I think when these lawsuits get to the trial phase in court you may see more press interest in the stories.

Hope that helps.

hawk

135 posted on 03/13/2003 12:05:29 PM PST by hawkaw
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To: tracer
ouch!
136 posted on 03/13/2003 12:06:11 PM PST by Theophilus
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To: tracer
I'm glad my name isn't Chad. :)
137 posted on 03/13/2003 12:07:11 PM PST by SarahW
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To: Manic_Episode
Knife, not gun. Used to cut the window screen from the outside. per Dad Smart this am.
138 posted on 03/13/2003 12:07:26 PM PST by floriduh voter ("Pound that Rock" John Gruden, Super Bowl Night 2003)
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To: Sloth
Would it not be better to give the girl the benefit of the doubt

Again, I'm not blaming her. If it comes across that way then I'm sorry. But this would not be the first case that played out in the manner I mentioned. Police cases of this nature show that both the truly abducted and the 'duped followers' (for lack of a better word) both respond that they were abducted upon being located. I'm glad she's home with her family and hope she is able to have something approaching a normal life inthe years to come.

Then again maybe I read too many crime stories for my own good.

139 posted on 03/13/2003 12:08:47 PM PST by asformeandformyhouse
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To: bonfire; All
I don't WANT to believe that a 14 yr old would go voluntarily with ANYONE.

I rest my case.

140 posted on 03/13/2003 12:09:26 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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